This document is a series of emails concerning interviews conducted by Brig. Gen. Furlow and Paul Zimmerman of USDOJ OIG regarding FBI agents and members of the military who may have witnessed detainee abuse.
·THOMA~, JULIE F. (OGC) (Fl?I)
From: . ·KELLEY, PATRICK W. (OGG) WBI).
Sent: Friday, January 21,· 2005 5:49 RM
To: THOMAS, JU.LIEF. (OGC) (FBI) ·
Subject: RE: Military. interviews re: detainee abuse at Gitmo & call. from USDOJ OIG
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I think it would be a good subject to bring up at the depl,lties meeting. The OIG.'POC has raised the issue very
gently.
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From: THOMAS, JULIE F. (OGC) (FBI)
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:37 PM
To: KELLEY, PATRICK W. (OGC) (FBI)
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Subject: RE: Military interviews.re: detainee abuse at Gitmo & call from USDOJ OIG
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. Pat, I forwardecC:]-nessage prior to receiving your email because I didn't ttiink the c_all really revealed
anything of substance but I can see the need for caution. Does Valerie want.to be kept out of the loop on
anything even relating to this? Would this be a proper subject to take up at the deputies meeting or in
another forum. Julie
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From: KELLEY, PATRICK W. (OGC) (FBI)
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:24 PM
To: THOMAS, JUUE F. (OGC) (FBI)
. Subject: FW: Military interviews.re: detaine.e abuse at Gitmo & cc;ill from USOOJ OIG ·
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Julie: We have to w.alk a fine line here. so while we need to
· . keep+her informed substantively .se she· can do her job,·we have to be _sensitive as to what we relay .
· about the OIG's inquiry. I don't have any magic answers but wanted you to be aware of the issue. If
need be, we can consult Valerie and/or the OIG in any given matter. Thanks. ·
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From: ICOGC) (FBI)
sent:naay,·January 21, 2oos 4:17 PM ·
To: KELLEY1 PATRICK W. (OGC) (FBI) · . .
Subject: FW: Military interviews re: detainee abuse at Gi~mo & call from USDOJ OIG
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I just sent this to. Elaine Lammert and Julie Thomas. I sent it because I'm t.he point of contact for
military reviews going on right now. I wanted to apprise them of the call and get their input about
continuing _to assist the military in their review.
THO~AS, JULIE. F. (OGG) (FBI)
From: Caproni, Valerie E. (OGC) (FBI)
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Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:38 PM
To: THORNTON, CHARLENE B. (.INSD)(FBI)
Cc: I ~OGC) (FBI); THOMAS, JULIE F. (oGC) (FBl);I
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Subject: FW: Military interviews re: detainee abuse at Gitmo & call from USDOJ OIG
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I am recusing myself from all this, but if at all possible -- particularly ifLJwants to talk to a~yone el~e - vv.e
really should encourage coordination b~tween the military and OIG. . ·
-----Original Message-----
From: THOMAS, JULIE F. (OGC) (FBI)
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:18 PM ·
To: Caproni, Valerie E. {OGC) (FBI) . .
Subject: FW: Military interviews· re: detainee abuse at Gitmo ,& .call from USDOJ OIG
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E!rig. Gen. Furlow i!nd some staff were in D.C. this w.eek and interviewed 7 agents about their observations at
Gitmo (as contained in their email responses tothe Bureau-wide Inspection inquiry). The interviewswere brief
and cordial. I know tf!ey conducted at least one intervi~w of FBI personnel in Gitmo last week.
I TodaJ (Frid~y) I. received .a telephone call from Paul Zimmerman, USDOJ OIG, Oversight and Review, ._I ___ _.I.
(whose identity I confirmed by calling their main number before speaking with him) about General Furlow's
inquiry and agent interviews. In response to his questions, I told him that the interviews focused on the .
observations th!=l agents made (as revealed in their email responses and other related documen~s), the General
had limited his questions to the agent's personal observations of any incident, and any interaction they had with
military managers about the incident. No questions had been asked regarding any reporting to or
communications with the FBI about these incidents. He further asked if the interviews were taped or if signed
statements were being taken, and I responded that neither was being done. Mr. Zimmerman lamented that the
two investigations overlapped and the agents may have to repeat the interview with his office. He asked and
received the contact number for General Furlow at Southern Command, Miami, Florida. I asked Mr.
Zimmerman if he wanted tne to halt the interviews and he strongly declined .to t_ake. such a position.
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·. Subject: FW: Military interviews re: detainee abuse at Gitmo & call from USDOJ OIG.
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Julie: We have to walk a fine line here.I ~o while we need' to keep her.
informed substantively so she can do her job, we have to be sensihve as to wh"!t we relay· about the OIG's
inquiry. I don't have any magic answers but wanted you to be aware of the issue. If need be, we can.consult
Valerie an.d/or ,the OIG in any giv~n matter. Thanks. · ·
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From: l(OGC) (FBI)
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 4:17 PM
To: KELLEY, PATRICK W. (OGC) (FBI) .
Subject:· PW: Military interviews re:. detainee abuse at Gitmo & call from USDOJ OlG
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I just sent this t~ ~nd Julie Thomas. I sent it because· l'r:n the point of contact for military reviews
going on right now. I wanted to apprise them of the call and get their input about continuing to assist the military
in their review. · · · , ·
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, From~ l(OGC) (FBI)
Sent: friday, January 21, 2005 4:0t PM
To: JJiOMAS. JUUE F. (OGC) (FBI)_ f OGC} (FBI) .
cc:I toGC) (FBI) .
Subject: Military interviews re: detainee abuse at Gitmo & ca)I from USDOJ OIG
B~ig. Gen. Furlow .. ~ind some staff were in D.C.this ~eek and interviewed 7 agents about their observations at
Gitmo (as contained in their email responses to the Bureau-wide Inspection inquiry). The interviews were ,brief
and cordial. I.know they conpucted at least one interview of FBI personnel in Gitmo last week.
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·~.(Friday) I received a telephone call fr~m Paul Zimmerman, USDOJ OIG, Oversight and Review,,_I _ _,...___.
L.._Jwhose identity I conf_irmed by calling their main number before speaking with him) about General Furlow's
1nqu1ry and agent interviews. In response to bis questions, I told him that the interviews focused on the
observations the agents made (as revealed in their email responses and other related documents), the General
had limited his questions to the agent's personal observations of any incident, and any interaction they had with·
military managers about th~ incident. No questions had been asked regarding any reporting to or
communications with the FBI about these incidents. He further asked if. the interviews were taped or if signed
statements were being taken, and I responded that neither was being done. Mr. Zimmerman lamented that .the
two investigations overlapped and the agents may have to repeat the interview with his office. He asked and
received the contact number for General Furlow at Southern Command, Miami, Florida. I asked Mr.
Zimmerman if he wanted me to halt the interviews and he strongly declined to take such a positiC?n.
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