Formica Report Annex 76: Statement of Assistant Detachment Commander re: Family of Iraqis Detained at Abu Ghraib Prison, Sister and Two (2) Brothers

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anmilinallb WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH: I am the assist,* dent:imam comas* for ItIMIIIMIINIMIIIIMIlaeat Campbell, KY. I ISM so Iraq as put at the ground Mr from 19 Mar to 13 May 03. I misplayed to en two other occasions, frees 19crepicir
to 15 Dec dB aut dial 17 Jae 04 to IS Feb OS.
sept lhomilimmpona BaghdM, Iraq. The palace complex was occupied by
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lewn house wee separated Ban 1111p=lby if il.
There was again= renitence in our area of operations. We were mortared a couple of times every week. Daring wepaticalerly active MOOS, we was mortared every day or every other thy. In tad to mortars. we came under small arms and RPO attack. Although _= did tot ennumter any, LEDs were prevalent * the area, more as than any other put of
Baghdad.
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1111.11deteation fadity canined or two fenced In areas near their motor pool. There was a larger holding area andsmaller area that comisted of stalls or booths. I Solders guarded the detainees.
All were done on either the objective or at theilljaalesention theility. Neither myself, or say member of ever isterrogatal detainees at the two house or at say of seisms houses. When we coodumed an burrosadon facility. we would cooden Me lemerception either in the facility itself or just outside the fenced in area. When we
outside of the fenced in bzlity. it was for the sole purpose ofww, ft them tram the other detainees during the course of the intettogatioa la either as interrogation were always on .ed wkhia the manna of the palace complex. 41111/11111 and myself were Me primary Inerrogatees. Amarthe team medic. On ocCesien. he mould MO go to the detutionNellity and clink detainees' medical condition.
am familiar with theMmess had been a pimp forSege She owned several oat lots in the area. et,She she owed two , ewe was located in Jordan in Syria. She was suspected of being afinancier for local immrgauts. she was eventually taken into 2-3 FA Gaudy.
"MarMandacluter and a brother of Althou0 tnever mot him. be was known as so 15:1° or • He was somewhat handicapped. He was in custody at one time.
was mother brother ore* He was never in US custody. ft:: MEW Auer. She was a lawyer sod IV, was ilone time by.111111Ithe I, however, never met her. I do not koow Mit argillialla the othetnlit Sit' ,..u..., t- •
was local Iraqi national who auisted US forces by providing Information on local resistance threes. He was and may have been a lieutenant in the Iraqi police force to the US occupation. Aldemail I unsure of his ration to assist US forces, I believe his motivation wet because minima threatened his family and attempted so loll him on several occasions. I mu the and had a new • contacts with him. He was a
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reputation among primary role was toproem for some interrogation that I coolucted at the facility.
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wu.also present for some detainee interrogations that I conducted at theme
detention facility. He would listen to detainees' answers and use his in depth knowledge of the
local area to alert us if the detainee was lying. Occasionally, he would ask questions of the
detainees himself. Our interpreter would tell me what questions be was posing. He never had 14
say with unaccompanied access to detainees under the control 011111.1111 Although I cannot
absolute certainthat he never had unaccompanied access to the detainees at 1111111116 I highly
doubt it. First, Commander 2-3 FA BN, andIRIMINIS the BN S-3, tan a very e•to
• tight ship.. They were extremely professional aittaialli their ons, to inc. lude their detainee
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G) .•.a Lebanese ' I do not know his real name. 0 SI,
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He was present for approximately four or
it 46 ve at theilleidetention facility. He would interpret and much ble tell us what he knew a detainee to be lying. On occasion, just like Sb 17.3 11111=11 be also would ask questions directly to the detainees. Again, agnever had at" unaccompanied access to detainees underaft. control. For the same reasons I already op mentioned, I highly doubt that 111, had unaccompanied access to detainees while at dteltddlea facility. Given the guards, It would have been impossible for either aor WOO to have 'el' access to detainees without 1111111.1knowing of it.
1111 Detainees were never threatened or *lyrically abused or mistreated byalliersoldiers or anyone else while we were present. There were no threats oc instances of electrocution or b 3 forcible sodomy. All detainees were treated humanely. fleeted not only the letter, • , but the spirit of the law. In fact, several 0-5s and GIs, to mc am.one of the FA l tP-BDE Cos, watched and was impressed by our interrogations.
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I believe that these allegations have been made by detainees in an attempt to be released. . Detainees know of the allegations relating to Abu Garib and the resulting media coverage. They b 3 view the allegations as a ticket out of jail. did not engage in this type of conduct and I cannot believe that would have tolerated such behavior from la kil" their Soldiers.
I believe that the detainees are also attempting to discredita11111111111B because of the assistance isb he has provided US forces. He is trying to clean up the area of what you might call bad guys. Any similarity in the detainee allegations can be explained by detainees collaborating on stories while being held. For example, one detainee that we caught guarding a weapons cache confessed to help placing cache . He later recanted, saying that he was tortured. He was not tortured, but lied, probably out of many or all of the motivations already mentioned.
There were no instances of retaliation against detainees for the deaths of ¦MMINIIM 461°,
amor any other Soldier. 1111111111111, was a good friend of mine. He was a former SF Soldier. lello He was phenomenal; he knew the streets of Baghdad and had the pulse of the localpopu lace. He led us to a weapons cache that I just referred to. Retribution against detainees would have be
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counter productive. It would have deprived us of the information we needed to prove who was connnittkig acts against us. Moreover, we could not prove who was behind the 113Dth
e4siaid him. Although we had some information on who built it, I can only speculate that di 610 were somehow involved. Many Soldiers were mad about the deaths, but 111111.11.wel extremely professional. Also. we were doing police work. Abuse would have tainted detainee confessions and prevented us from putting than away.
There were limitations on our actions toward detainees. First, there were limits on how long 2-3
FA could hold detainees. Initially, it was 24 hours, then it was shortened to eight bouoa.
Around Dec 03, as the prima were filling to capacity, the time limit slid to 48-72 hours. It
would not amprise me if during the Dec time period if some detainees were held by ISO for five or six days.
There were also limitations on the interrogation techniques we could' use. We generally used
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direct approach with our questioning. We used good cop/bad cop (ako known as "Jeff and Mutt"), fear up/fear down. We used sleep management. We would tell the guards to keep up the detainees and provide them with minim al sleep. We would have detainees kneel during questioning. This would last for approximately 30 minutes. When the detainee would complain about being uncomfortable, we would tell them to sit on their butt. We were never told that stress positions were unauthorized. I did not even consider kneeling or sitting to be a "stress position." We never engaged in the practice of "icing" detainees or any other method of artificially cooling their bodies to cause discomfort. We never used dogs during interrogations. We did have a dog et the team house, but we simply found it and used it more of a mascot and not for intetrogations. We never deprived detainees of food or water
We obtained information from detainees by talking to them and using the above techniques. We had about four or five hours of interrogation time before our efforts became futile. At that point, the detainees would realize that we were not going to harm or threaten them and most of them would not talk. At that point, we would turn them over to the BSA.
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An Oftwould be hard pressed to bold detainees. It is simply a question of manpower since theSIwould have to pull guard duty. If we had a facility, we probably could keep one or two detainees for 48-72 hours. I would want a hardened facility to protect detainea from the elements. I would not have a problem using a chain to secure detainees to the floor so long as they could stead, sleep, use the latrine, etc. Such a restraint would also have to be monitored to ensure that it did not restrict blood flow to the extremities. While a chain is a restraint, a 4x4x2 cell would be inadequate because it would not allow a detainee to stand, sit comfortably, or he down. When an ODA detainees an individual, we incur a responsibility to adequately treat that person. While I was placed in "boxes" that small while at SERE school, I did not take SERE training as an authorized way for US forces to conduct themselves.. Rather, it was meant to expose us to techniques that our adversaries might use. However. it is possible that someone might take SERE training to be approved conduct, although the cadre certainly does not express
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