Formica Report Annex 51: Statement of Interrogator

Sworn statement by a senior interrogator located at Radwaniya Palace Complex (RPC) from May to September 2003. Discusses interrogation procedures at a Temporary Holding Facility, and states, "Once detainees arrive, they are searched, screened for interrogation purposes, medically screened, and photographed as per the THF SOP." States, "If the detainee claims to be innocent, but the intelligence packet states otherwise...I will explain that they are facing time in Abu Ghraib.... During interrogations I will invade a detainee's personal space, get face to face with him, and start yelling if need be." States, "I personally think that stress positions border on torture." Interrogator states that he taught Approach techniques and Law of War classes at Fort Huachuca and that he made it clear that torture was illegal and unreliable; the course "did not teach sleep deprivation as an approach technique and never had." "When I arrived here in APR 04 and saw that [redacted] had authorized sleep management, I could not believe it. I believe sleep management to be nothing more than sleep deprivation clothed under a new name." Mentions two detainees who "had been beaten and were bound with wire" before being brought to RPC.

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PRIVACY ACT STATEMENT
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1. LOCATION 2. DATE IYYYYMMODI 3. TIME 4. FILE HUMBER
RPC, Baghdad. Iraq

2004/07/01 10000 *'

5. LAST NAME. MIDDLE NAME GRADESTATUS
C. 6. 594 4011.1111111111 E7/Active
I. ORGANIZATION OR ADDRESS
GSC. 5th SPO(A)

9.
Q 6 4010.111111
, WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH:
&Maned tom. Normally. I are smigned to GSC, but am currently maned test 6.6
y MOS is 97E Histeiseptott. My duties at 5th SKI include of pinatas of war OPW).
co wer- and actieg at imarpmet with locally employed persons.
I begat Operation Freedom in JAN 03 and redeployed back to Ft. Campbell. KY hi SEP 03. I was located at Radwaelya
PalmCommies from MAY to SEP 03. Owing that time there was ow detainee Wino of my sort at RPC. I tanned to

RPC on 20 APR begin interrogation duties for 1101152.
Purim nay rondo° in 2003, I intersopled several detainees that were to• the lack of a facility. ThoseIndianan wereesuallyetSe Oteckpoku One which had some empty where kneerogations took place. Asthose Wanes became , interrogation would be conducted outdoors behind hundinge and walls where the detainees couldnot be nudity am by other These interroptioes were actually screening sessions and would lam from as short as 15minutes lo as loft as one Mur or more. After qE • , I would decide to muse tome detainees and intern the eaters. I Wokdime Maned to Camp Cropper on BIAP. I made arrangements with the intenogators working at Camp Camper to use their
facilities to cooduct further merroptions. No detainees were kept at RPC during that time for more than a fear bows before being

released or sent to Camp 1,4 ief The Temporary Holding Fac (THP) nanny used suis a place where anions are held as well as Moneyed. Oncedetainees arrive. they are screened for Iartorssti0n purposes, mediCally lamed, and photographed as
SOP. the
leseRigencereports, emosed documents and equipment, em. I will then decide hi what order I will begin itserrogating deselects. This decisioncould be based on who sneers to be most 're or who appear: most IH:ip to have die information we are neking.
I typically conduct intenro yam with die , myself, and an interpreter pram) an stand*. There is always a table
plena. sod keep notebooks, the detainee Rik, the camera, etc. on the table. If detainee is being cooperative and giving
actionable inelligence, we will sit down at the table. Most interrogation anions last only one boa. but cm those few that havelasted up to three boors may ire all participants, myself included, to remain standing If the detainee isDetainees are never ' asked; they wear diR clothes they were brought in whit. AS the jumpsuits PultrvLerTVII the
teenaged= is finished, the etsias is returned directly to his
If the detainee claim, to be innocent. but theI will explain that they are facing taw in Abu Gash. to explain any more than that. their own imaginations
will generally be more effective than =yams 1 could say.
Duthie inattegations I will invade a detainee's meant mace, set fact to lam with him, and start yelling If mend. Almon all

detainees have proclaimed their innocence, but one of my common to tell damn to that up if all they ban to so is theyare Clement. I tell then 1 est not interested in bearing a confession, I already know they are guilty. I want to hear where the edictpeople ate located. what their plans are, etc. I ute an approach where the detainee believes he can make his situation better byinforming en those who are stilt opera • . I use Mu Gkraib manly as It is the actual locadon we send detainees for layerintarament. Dot because of its history time and Me recent scandal. litho detainee wants so mans an association between dime events and his integument, I wi not that. I do not mention tonere, enesdon. sexual humiliation or
at s; tell
else along those lines as a consequence of internment at Abe Ohsaib. When dentate; continue to profess their innonnec.rm inthem nal am done talking to them and the ma person the will speak to wg1 be at Abu CUM. In some inatances, the detaineeshave mud for muter to speak with me. T1115 is the most I will exploit the detainees fears of Abu Multi.I do not use stress minions agation approach technique as I do not believe they are effective. I have spent my entire
s an
career as an imerrogator. Asa PPC at Me laterroiatiou course in Ft. Huanuca, I was Caught that torture. in edd to Mini

inegal, was unreliable. I personally think that stress positions border at tenure. I have a bad Mee and have had to kneel for several
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hears at a time Mil found it to be ememely painful. have never considered unite forced physics! training se en i
retrildrtrtg, I was an instructor at the Interrogetion Course at Ft. fluachum. Among Mar blocksonf•instrucdoe. I wen the Appliedteticlass and the Law of Welfare class. In 1990, as printery itiounctor of the Approaches clam, was pen of an banstigatica ft= the imam of two interroestoes who wed amp deprivaion u an -4 technique dutiog
Operation JUST CA . What investigated. they claimed they had been upebt to wie Moat -mb • at the (gemmed= course. Department of Alloy SAO invesapted those Magadan, end as t he prinfiry Mammy for se that time, 1 bad to
bliss lo the current and bimetal A lesson plans. Tx Investigation revealed Mat the ' Course did am Ludt
rk sleep deprivation as an apptoadt and never had. The investigating effacer made it very clear that sleep de

was
Den' cooddered Rept. 1 have worked ender eat assuespdoe ever since. When I arrived Mee in APR 04 mad sew
aithorized sleep mansjement. 1 could not WU= it. I believe be nodtmg more than sleep

undeek Ped with dm OIC of the THE tbst dap& =mat, the Amy eansideved "kap deprivation
' *Mooch At technique:bed been made at the highest levels of the Department of Defame. 1 informed the THE OIC tr' to be torture sad coereica. OIC informed nte dot dm !reason Mame sleep muumuu as an ineingtebon
that considered sleep wr to be deep deprivaloo, sad I woad not use thnt W. When. told that sleep ineaseement would sift =Wm. I made it very dear that I would sot tate pan in it. and if an was mamas& I would make sore my concerts were well
dorm emed.1 define amp deprivation as beeping someone awake specifically to break their will to maim 1 have sever used sleep
deptraties, Map numegeenent. or toy :sedate of fame d%a detainee's sleep with dm intenfica of nada& him mote compliant. 1 have sever requested maids keep *TISANE make, nor do ilmow of say imarogstots who have dew so. Z7a a dadlar awe, 1 an Mrs that Suss were inabotized as as imertoption wont technique. do not know of anyone who used dom. I was y melted if I ant aware of miyone being forced to EMI for 20 hours ata time; an not. I do
can
Mow when Madams are aide* tempo into the THP. they are tail to mod in their mil as moan the way =I theybe greeted. When a Mae mother of detainees are brought ia, it can be serest hours before the lest ones get their turn at 'creating.
When I annul bete in APR 04. 1 was sold that a deter !nation had to be made as die NM of earn details. That determination
wand dictate which aoproech Manton mold be allowed for that petticoat individual. As previously reemamed. some of the
teduispies Involved moss position and steep snmagement. AU of the buerrogetion technimies I use are mental in mean. not .Ido net use the r
d abee's cell as part of sewoad technique. oar do 1 have guards mist me with a admique.
sleep on die floor in their Wk. 1 do onomIambi than sleep on the floor is a form ofpanishmest et coercion. k is the lifilt for the Defames who are =pensive or *cramped to be imam" areT6rovided with cetvellime detainees tura down the We, peek sleep on the floor. Not ail detainees get blankets while at the .
I have newts heard of a being refused moat to Weisz or the latrine. Showering is am on. s mast basis or whenever s denims is noticeably amity. la at lease one inmost. a detainee teemed to shower, and was forcibly stripped and hosed down. While Web% MOM 10 Wow is not pleasant or cestvenient, 1 do sot madder it tube abuse. Detainees are not hosed tows as a form of putubmwd, they are booed down for hygiene reasons. The water is oared Weed they soap themselves op. When it is tisae to rime off. they arm bead down nein, and than pm back into theit clothes. When dameamiss at do TRF, they are required to be bound. A detainee who is being very ' scriey4Itis binds
'
removed, but this it very_lsre. Detainees ssoally strive with their bands bound behind they becks. 1 bind their
removed,
heads in Meat of them. Ifs detainee is seen Wong his bliadfoldlgoggla- 1, tlie guards hare been Magnet to bind the hands behind the detainee's back • prevent it (cam lappeniev to Likewite. Me deoemi- use ialieueted that they ate not allowed an talk with
other detainee'. If they do, they will have their kale bound behind their backs is a prabhment. Vary continue to talk with one mother after flat, they will have their maths aped dad. To dme, we have Weer bad 10 rout to mirth tape, although wr have bond Mainee's Mods behind their backs.
1 have been salad how coed:mous blindfolding and landeofflogftles-cuffuig corresponds withltaterogetios dowries. Interrogation
doctrine does not as inose items speoifieally. Prisoner handling maids of the inception booth is not addressed at the
Interroptioo course must in the broadest tarns. I have soma detainees at ohm facilities where may are sot restricted other than within dm confines of the amp. While this is the first time I have seen detainees kept blindfolded mid tailed, this is alto the foss time 1 have been ata facility this ma. Normal detainee mums are much larger than Me THP. Not ell detainees
at the THE are detained became theyrequited to keep their on at all tizotaidome didnees have Woo Wolin in by =Meet; theY were
we a sa of the target. Once they arrive, it is 1m to us at the THF to determine way they were is the vicinity of
e the nte
ass
in the woos place at the wrong time. or are they involved with the tart. If we Omennioe a claimer
the target. Were
'ribbed by mistake, we madams *Morin him to not have to wear the puke at all times. Alt detainees weer mat while moving from oat place to another. While undergoing irecnogaiica, I have an detnitem remove their goggles sot can watch their
CM 1 float anima here. the yards would take a circuitous route to and from the detainees' cells. I followed their ermine few *
day or two, but Men decided that 1 bed so many detebsees I did not have tiom to continue doing that.
I am aware of one accusation of detainee dune at the TRF. One day. prior to relealin; Iwo Mather*. I brought limo 114U the 1

intertagathea tooth individually to do a mini I.O. campaign prior io dmiseelease. Daring the talk. the first detainee told me that
tiring the preview night. after the electricity had gone nut, one dfihe guards bad =tend Ids all sad kicked Aim. I brought the second pone in and gave him the 10. speech. I asked if he had any questions. fie sad. 'lie, but I wanted to sell mu • last night INITIALS Of PERSON mamma STAT
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a guard came b and kicked ate Milk Me titbit were out." I recorded and reported both dateaserm. I an aware of no oder abuse,
Last Arr. I had two demieree brought to axe by the lore; villagas AO claimed the mea were ruagtit ttying so steal a car. Both badbees bonen and were bound with whe. Before nclft tem to Camp Cropper on BIAP. I ,
mleat the wire with ding One of
the two detainees had been shuck in the back of be head, and Me resettutg scalp wound bN partway. The bleeding bad m..by the. time de deminess had beet brought to RFC. Similarly, a damage bed been
Mega is to die /HP in MAY Di with aired
He received the waned when the daalaiog mit breached the target house and he bepn Egilden them
'The
wit knocked hint to the pcmaddrat be got up win and rimmed his attack. At Mat pint, the Yak her him on the tried.
with a bar stroke. What he went down the MEW hoe. they
cute de=
hint. Mk I would duet neither of these Incident' as
above, they were the only other imam of wounds ea detainees of which I am swam.
e army duties opts snivel of a detainee a to fill out a questionnains that helps daamiee the atoms of the detainee. The m taus
Us
then identibrd which imarogaies approach trziedepele would be authorized gains hat particular detaine. Despite the pommel
res in AV sed eriasistat SON" i 40 not has de detainees
any differendy mice they an: EN
treatment of detaielea are baled indifferences in their behavior endfa THF. fferentia the
What they arrive,
*beet remade as far as I am coned. Eve* though a wide variety of evetT desithes is al Ineguale
me ba oed
an tha determined:a disc the detainee was a gamiest 1 apt vary : Aiapproach achoierat was eerie svautentc 111,
Ido epee with the nee of background music within dm TILF as, a method of llfig.
detainees taking with one another. I have
that detainees in adjaceet cells have bees able to COentaws601160 IN the past. I
:17tiedto kegs detainees awake. not agree with male being Pried so
It is manual for _
anyome to be at the "
aim
Feral; to 978 kaumesentediganre agate • room with me other Mao an interpreter. P0852 ad no interrogatl before my
the brute oto reepossibility. Cmce I graved, they ors
dkl a few
when I was overwhelmed by the amber of detainees present St the THF. is some cues day were in the mom with

m pick up pokers tax a a Imbed and exparimed
iolonwpter. On one oceaseloo, the 971I did the majority *, the
whilst sat back and Jawed in only'
inane in needed. Them have beat other intellignece soldiers who hive expresse d an
to as unerropution. There was a period before my arrival at F013.12 when other soldiers were being
r to .
go Into booth to iaterro detheees. A small number of °Mem have requested
ostessibly to damming i to Sit hi and *web as
am is violation of a detainee's righte. I have never lad at Iraqi or other third-comer/in the interrogation room with me.l do make
' I U tow *Anted *id' two intapeetaa. l'ke fint. , but be le as Americo tithe's. Slate my arrival hers. Iinterpreurr tweedy working with me is with me for few weeks before me
have never beard of an intaprescr
raised my voice and wa
speakers need the obscenity' fuck' sad its variants with detainees. itis sty overleapt that even
sae swats oldie d Ned its autoEirslisk
ill
method conveyiof ked meatus as an obscenity. I =ally am the word in comunction with a raised voice as a
ng X11
MIGUCOM yelling at a TEM*. We. i wouldSKIS= Mat tie tom of my yelliag is oommeseurase with dal of a drill
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