Sworn statement of a Colonel regarding detention procedures and policies at Abu Ghraib prison. He stated "I would want to know what we were getting out of the detainees and is anything coming out of them. If not, ... either release them or get them over to Abu Ghraib." Emphasizes the "need to specify minimum standards ... relating to facilities and resources" and to "data and documentation." States, "I would not accept anything unsanitary or unhealthy, either physically or psychologically," and "If you're going to do detainee holding. this is the burden you incur, and these are the rnittiment standards of care and providing food, resource facilities, etc. We can specify and enforce that."
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have provided the published C.JSOTF-AP procedures to the AR 15.6 investigating *Meer, and that was my policy. If there were aberrations to those pnxedures then I'm not aware of them.
Battalion commanders were pretty good about telling me who was le deleetion and what was going on with than and wain they were getting out of them, became I know with the CJSOTF DIF, with the Task Group, any FOB that had people in there, t would want to know what we were getting out of Om detainees and is anything caning out of them. If oot, my opinion was, let's getout of here. Either release them or get them over to Abu Gharib.
When I first started this, at the 4$-hour mark I was bent/ asked for celerities; to 14 days. I think the fum couple 1 agreed to, but Igot to thinking about it, and if we were not getting anythmg,out af these goys, why was I muutodige theca to 14 dap? I wanted
more jtudlication, so I started throttling back on that. I'd Rye them 7 days aemeOmes 10 days. That was wisW is the CJI don't have a pod inventory of who requested Moe, when. I
don't recall anybody asking me to creed anybody at a term hone or anything lite that. That never happened that I know of.
I had no idea what you were telling me or asking me about in reference Adantlys, when I first heard stem it. Theneat baldness is a surprise to me. I knew *boa the facility in Samna, but they have never asked me for any extension. I don't I) know bow long they've had people out there, and I don't know if they have or have net exceeded 48 to 72 bouts. I know for a fact
that they have not asked me to detain peek bow. The FOB commander, the41111111111111110 commander, the DCO and myeelf cansign that. Sci if an FOB commander up north signed an extension, I am not aware of that.
ff. three key Wisest° this are facilities, seamed leadership, and reeources. Ina macro- and micro- view, macro of CISOTF,of what's going on with the we need to take s look it that The Samaraproblem usignificantly different than, let's
sy11111111111111 which was next to 2-3 PA's DIF. If I went to one of the 1¦/1111frup in Mond. I'd say we sot a flaky next door andlet's drive them over to the facility by the airfield, but to my knowledgethey never had any detainees up a the111111111 I've goi 30an there, and I've got 30 potential different situations. So the thought I bad about two weeks was how were we going
5 to reorient this program, bow are we going to have a program, what do we need to bot at? The camcluni0m I've drawn out at this
no far are we need to specify minimum standards. And the mitdraum standards are the deep reledn t to facilides and resources.
The other set of minim= standards that we need to specify are data and domonetation. We can't Lava a situation where a guy
shows up and the medic looks at hint and says "Oh. be kola fur'. Give detainees full physicals and look for signs of trauma.
What is the expected payoff as opposed to the burden you Incur? If you're going to do detainee holding. this is the burden you
incur, and these are the rnittiment standards of care and providing food. mom facilities. etc. We can specify and enforce that
The expected payoff depends on who you've gm ° in front of you. I had a General here and the expected payoff was
pretty high, but we didn't get mach out of that guy, Let's take the ease of they were picking apart this IED cell thatkilled and a bunch of these other ye. There is not payoff to the hettle
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point you have to say. What I can do as aleader and as a ccensaander is I no those standards, and are my obligation as
a leader. I re cognies the dilemma there.
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