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Tit~e·:· INTERVIEW AND. INTERROGArrON . ~F EXTREMISTS WORKING' GROUP . . . . .. CRITICAL INCIDBNT'RESPONSE'GROUP (CIRG) NATIONAL CENTER FOR THE ANALYSIS OF VIOLENT CRIME (NCAVC) BEHAVIORAL ANALy'SIS UNlT I' (BAU -1) .. ' : ' .
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De..~ai.ls: The Behavioral Analysis Unit I (BAU I) is one of several.
National'Cente'r fo'r the Anaiysis' 6f Violent crime" (NCAVCY . Url:ltl3 ., ·within·· tne Criti,cal; Incidertt. Re:;lpollee Group (CIRG)' ·in Quantico, Virginia, 'providing support to field o.ffices as well as to state,
,local,' and foreign·pol·ice .. Although.'the NCAVC'is bes.t known fqr providing. be'hQ,vioral· analyses, on violent crime' cases, ie., serial . murder', sexual a'ssault at:ld child abduction, stalki'ng, etc., the NCAVC
has cOI,lsiderabl.e experience..in the .area of terrorism imd...threa.t : . ~ss~ssmeilt'.. In recQgniti.on· of th'e ohanging nature' .of FBI priorit;l.es, and in order 't; be ,!,ore responsive to !='equesting·offices, t·he NCAVC

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Re:' 1V-T~-A-6033-NCAVC, 10/2112003'

..r~cently .reorganized ··and. e~t~lished. a unit. (Biu I) which.·focuses ·on· matters· involving' terrorism and' threat assessment:; Servi·ces offered·' . by BAU ·1. will. continue'· to 'include crime' scen.e· arialysis, personality. -----~:-,~'-~sseBstnent ~..:.:.u.ite~e~·-strilt:.egieB.-r..:~a.ly.sis·.:.of-t.hrea:teriing. ~-____ .--.--.---­_.' ,: . communications; and· ·inve'='tigative suggestions.·...' ... ...'.' .. _._ ...:
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'. S'Ucc~ssfully i'nvestigated a.-·wide range: .of .domestic, an~ international: terrorist·, groUps .thr'9ughout the years: and a ·host oe .dangerous .. domestiC:! terrorist groups _ The r~cent 'attacks against U .·S. interests
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. Africa, Indonesia, Baghdad,· and ot.her pla·cesi highlight·-the need to .
.better understand,·not: only the rnindset·.oI·thos~ terrorists, but also the.. cultural~political~ .and. ec.ono~ic influe~ces which may. ·have·. . contribut;.ed to their decision.to ali~ themselves.~ith extretnist causes'-.. More. important; BAU ~ is'interes.ted .in learning. how we can' better el·icit j,nformation from these individuals either as sources,'
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attention of SAU I 'as a . sample of ,'those 'who have been part'icularly

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y .ilI.ssoci·ate·s or in developing·excellent. sources ~Al·though: .ideally, .BAU I,wouldlike to i~clude all personnel who have had successe:S in ·the .terrorist arena, it is believed that' the use of a small working .
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. . . order to' de rl.ef 1:hem 1n ·detal.l' about tHel.rsi.lccesses· and 'fa~lure8 .:. and' to better und~rstand the elements qf their personality eXperiences, approaches, and other factors which contributed to ~heir overall success _.. The' ultimate obj.ect·ive cif' BAU I '1's to orgal")ize t.his ... information.and, hopefully, . incorporate it into a practical guide for individuals involved in conducting interviews both in the field and
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Title: INTERVIEW AND J:NTERROGA'l'ION' .' . " ' OF EXTREMISTS WdRKINGGROuP CRITICAL 'UiClDEm' RESPONSE GROUP (Cr:RG.) NA:r'rONALCENTER FOR .THE ANALYSIS'OF VIOLENT CRIME .(NCAVC) BEIiAVIORAL ~YSIS.UNIT, I. (BAU I)
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Sy.nops.is: . The' purpose of t~is:working'.. group is·.,~o bring' together' personnel with background in terrori~t investigations and
.. incorporate .this information into a'practical guide for personnel ~nv:olveC!-. in 'conducting" interviews"both in the field and in controlled environments such as in Guantanamo Bay,

.Deta:il's:·· The. Behavioral'.AnalYsi's "uni:t 'i --(BAU I) .'j,.s one' of , .
..s.ev·e:r:al Nat.ion.al Center for' the AJ'I.alYsis o.f Vio1ent Crime (N-CAVC) .units w.ithin the Critical' lnciden't Response (1roup (CIRG) ·in Quantico, Virginia" providing SUppOl;'t to field offices· as well as. .~o Eftate.1 local, and foreign p0lise. Al~hough t~e. N~yC is be~t
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established a .unit (BAU I) which focuses' on matters involving terrorism and tl1reat asses.srnent. .SerVices 'offered 'by BAU. I wili continue t'o ,include crime scene ancilysis,·; Iiersonality"assessment, interview st'rategies, 'analysis 'o'f threatening communications' and investigative suggestions,
Of 'particul'ar "int.erest ~nd'concern': to :BAU '1; especi'allY" amidst' ourwar·on.terrorlsm, is . how the FBI: 'can ,:best' oQtain' , informati6ri frQm those involved in te~r6rist ac~iviti~s .. The FBI has successfully investigated' a wide range of. 'domes'ti~, and.
. international terrorist'.groups throughout the years. and a ·.host of dangerous --domestic terrorist groups, The recent atta;:ks .against '. :.' u. S:. interests and citizens .j,ri New: York,: Virgi'ni~,. Lebanon, S~udi.. Ara.bia, East' Africfl" ~ndone.sia, Bagh~ad, ~nd other places, . . ." hi9J:llight ,.tb~ need to 'better uf1d~rsta.nq, not. on~y' the m:indset. of

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those terror·ists.i ·but. 'also the cultural; political, and economic 'influences whic~ may have. contributed to' theirdecisiontoaligri themselves with extremist causes.. More important, BAU I is
. interest.~. i~ 'learntng :how' we ...·can better elicit' .information ·from these ··individuals· either ··as sources, subjects, suspects,· . witne~ses or victi"qls.
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inve.stigations, thE; above-,listed. individuals. have come to the attention'.of BAU ·1 ·as .a ,s~mple pf,' t~ose::who have, ·been . particula~1.y,· ~uccessful. in' obtaining information ·from terr9rists and· their a:ssociate~ or in d~veloping. exc~llent 'sources.. Although, ideally',: BAU I would like t'o include all personnel who. have· had successres in the terrorist· arena, 'it is believed that
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. BAU 1 is inviting these individu'alst~ the CIRG facility ·in Stafford, Virginia, for' a two;..day'work.ing group on 1'1/05-06/2003, in ·order. t·o· debrief them in' detail about their.
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seminar, BAU I· believes'. this· is a fl.rst· s.tep ih col1ecting
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