Fay Report: Statement of Interrogator with the 325th Military Intelligence Battalion re: Abuse of Detainees at Abu Ghraib Prison

This is the second statement given by this Soldier/Interrogator concerning his observations and activities at Abu Ghraib prison. He states that he did in-fact witness Military Police and Interrogators "slap" and roughly handle detainees, specifically at the Hard Site within Abu Ghraib. He states that interrogators were not being trained properly and were being encouraged to be "creative and use different techniques." Did recall seeing photos of naked detainees on a computer, but said it was "only once". He described the use of sleep deprivation by playing loud music, dousing the detainees when they started to fall asleep. He said "I do believe getting them wet when it was cold was wrong." Noted using sleep deprivation, meal management and pride and ego down. Stated it was common to see detainees naked in their cells, either as punishment or due to lack of jumpsuits. Also, recalled seeing detainees come "in all beat up."

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Thursday, May 13, 2004
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1. LOCATION 2004/05/13
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LAST NAME, FIR NAME, MIDDLE NAME
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66th Military Intelligene Group, Heidelberg, GE APO AE 09 102

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WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH
-Ith CID. I was called for a follow up interview. I was read my tights and slimed a waiver. I was asked about y previous interviews v, about
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know what the MPs were allowed to do.
rt the screen saver of a pyramid of naked detainees 1 saw on the MPs computer, I stated that I probably had spoken t
di '_tbout it since he was the NCOIC. I did think they were gross and wrong. I don't remember what he said. I believe e

through MI channels because 1 never saw it
I never reported it
, metning like "oh yeah you are MI. Better watch out for MI "
because I was nervous, I had never spoke to a two star before and I again I didn't discuss this with the investigators the lust lime excuse for not repotting it. When I first was too focus on leaving Ahu Cihraib. The atmosphere was very different. I have no very focused on ceding the thformanon and
was
armed, the 325th MI B and the 323rd MI BN interrogators were there. Everyone
getting it out A lot of us had never done real interrogations before. We picked up the methods of those who were already there We sat in on one interrogation when we arrived and were interrogating the next day. We didn't have interrogation plans or discussions on tnterrogaiton techniques with section leaders when I first arrived It was very much up to the interrogator to do the interrogation.
asn't until GTN10 personnel showed up that we began bnenng our interrogation techniques. At night these detainees were very It w ­
bad guys. The information we could get was extremely Important The approaches we were told we could ate were sleep dc-nrivauon meal management and pride and ego down We were encouraged to be creative and use different techniques It was a mission focus and get the information. It was up to us to try to get the detainee to speak. We saw many detainees come in all heat up a stressful environment and we were working long hours and getting bum out. There wasn't much
and one one cared. And It v, as
supervislon and things didn't click real quick in mu head because v. c were so tired. When I saw the photos, I spoke to the MP

about it but didn't tell \II. This was not a good tune in my life.wilen I rust arrived 1 d

o not remember who my linguist that day. This
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MPs took_o
•happened in November before I moved to Operatioris_' and my li_nguis -
with my analyst_
When I went to the hard site, I was usually . l a
MPs ran the har• 1 . :_ . It was common to sec detainees in cc _She said that was different in the cell because they were not being ._Imes was a violation. I brought it up t is e ( eizinee's doing you need to be concerti_' what you do. The
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humiliated or in front of other detainees. She said t_or discipline bv MP personnel it was
nakedness was a combination of not enough jumpsuits for everyonc.or it could have beend have seen
andthe
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one of our approaches. I had two detainees in the hard site. _ ecause she had a lot of Administrative things to du.
naked. I never discussed this with my section leader, _
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• v. or e for about one to two weeks and I spoke to turn about
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vas a civilian who worked at night
gallons, detainees, approaches. He was in the hard site a lot because than where his detainee was. The MPs would wake up detainees on sleep management by yelling at them, making them stand, play= loud music and getting them wet. I didn't sec themas a wet detainees. I do believe that getting them wet when it was cold is wrong. I tried to feel out how best 1 could do hat complex environment and The MPs did not have an SOP and I told them what my IRGEs were. I am not the sam
was at Abu Ghraib.
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