Fay Report Annex: Statement of Sergeant First Class, 365th Military Intelligence Company re: Conditions and Detainee Handling at Abu Ghraib Prison

Sworn Statement of a Sergeant First Class (E7) concerning detainee handling and treatment at Abu Ghraib prison from mid-December 2003 until late February 2004. The SFC was the a Liaison Officer and Platoon Sergeant in the 325th at Abu Ghraib prison. The SFC described structure at Abu Ghraib and general observations. He stated "During the Sep to Dec time frame when I made periodic visits I would see some of my former interrogators w o had mov o AG - none of them ever mentioned abuse or humiliation of detainees, unauthorized photos or videos, use of dogs or any questionable interrogation practices such as stripping detainees, use of sleep deprivation or stress positions. We had received training on the Geneva Convention and used to discuss it a lot while at Ft Du and Kuwait prior to deployment. I do not remember any specific training or orientation in Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROEs), but during my time at B1AP there was a process of requesting authority througl• the chain of command for some
interrogation practice."

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Interview
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Tuesday, June 8, 2004
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Wednesday, March 2, 2005
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1. LOCATION 2. DATE (YYYYMMDD) 3. TIME 4. FILE NUMBER

METRO PARK SPRINGFIELD, VA 2004/06/08

6. SSN 7. GRADE/STATUS
SFC/E7

8. TION OR ADDRESS
365 MI COMPANY, BRISTOL, PA 19007
, WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH:
am a member of the 365th MI Company, but when I was activated, I was cross leveled to B Co,325 MI Bn. From May to Sep
03 I was assigned at a Platoon Sergeant in the 325TH at B1AP, mostly working LSA issues (finance, billeting, supply,
ev ions, etc for the interrogation rso Bally had no s •u• .n structure. Interrolators under me includ

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acting Company Commander, and the acting ISG, due to their occasional visits to AG. During the period
from mid-December 03 until I • - • 9 ,.• , I was assigned as a I on o icer between the Bde S-3 shop and Abu Ghraib (AG).
During that time I continually went back and forth between Camp Victory and AG, sometimes spending a couple of days or more
at AG at any one time. Previously, I had occasional visits to the actual detention facility there, escorting COL Pappas, but did

not work there. During mid-December, I was assigned duty to escort a Red Cross Inspection Team consisting of 4 or 5 males and one femal . One of the male Red Cross visitors was a doctor. One or two of the males had previously inspected AG earl' t
ear d
During the
Sep to Dec time frame when I made periodic visits I would see some of my former interrogators w o had mov o AG - none of
them ever mentioned abuse or humiliation of detainees, unauthorized photos or videos, use of dogs or any questionable
interrogation practices such as stripping detainees, use of sleep deprivation or stress positions. We had received training on the
Geneva Convention and used to discuss it a lot while at Ft Du and Kuwait prior to deployment. I do not remember any specific
training or orientation in Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROEs), but during my time at B1AP there was a process of

requesting authority througl• the chain of command for
some interrogation practices. I believed the way th s stem
was send the requ
ogation ops NCOIC/Team Leader to COL Pappas, via 205th JAG office1 At times iyht have to get a legal review or opinion from his boss • • • sources ••••1•11 1111 in ICE and Ops worked very closely with CW M I dealt withSlink-an d obtaining information pertaining to schedules for AG .0'4 01, r THTs •,.,• r Teams. I—understood tha as the Director of the JIDC, but I had little if any contact with him. I had very little to do with theactual running of A , even after COL Pappas was assigned as the Commander of the FOB .
It was my understandingtandingthat COL
Pappas did not "control"- the MPs or their work in running the detention and confinement aspects of AG. MPs did MP work and
MI did MI work; even in training scenarios in the States, MI and MP operations were kept separate and trained only in their own
MOS's. From the outset the 325 did not seem to be welcomed by or accepted by the 519th; this might have been due to the
active component vice reserve component culture or it could have stemmed from previous times when the two organization were
assigned in the same area In my time at B1AP and at AG I did not see, hear about or become aware of any abuse or humiliation
of detainees. 1 did not see, bear of or become aware of any unauthorized photos or videos of detainees. I did not see, hear of or
become aware of any use of dogs for interrogation purposes. 1 did not see, hear about or become aware of any detainees being
stripped and kept in the r of detainees having to wear women's underwear.

Q: Is there anything you wish to add to this
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97E SFC/E7
Company
I am a member of the 365 th MI Company, but when I was activated, I was cross leveled to B Co,325 MI Bn. From May to Sep 03 I was assigned at a Platoon Sergeant in the 325Th at BIAP, mostly working LSA issues (finance, billeting, supply, evaluations, etc)
onnel as we reall had no su rt structure. (Interrogators
for the interrogation
unde
orked
with CW2. Sep I moved to Camp Victory an to the 205th
S-3) and SGM

it
arters, in the S3 shop as an LNO, working fo
cams (THTs). Starting
i(S3 Ops SGM), supporting various Tactical
in Sep most of the interrogators under me moved to AG, the remainder occasionall
visited AG but were not assi ed there. The ones that moved were

ut am not sure. Two personnel who may have some knowledge of activities at AG from the Nov 03 to March 04 time frame would be the acting Company Commander,411111111. and the acting ISG, 1S01111111due to their occasional visits to AG. During the period from mid­
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December 03 until late Feb 04, I was assigned as a liaison officer between the Bde S 3
shop and Abu Ghraib (AG). During that time I continually went back and forth between
Camp Victory and AG, sometimes spending a couple of days or more at AG at any one
time. Previously, I had occasional visits to the actual detention facility there, escorting
COL Pappas, but did not work there. During midDecember, I was assigned duty to
-
escort a Red Cross Inspection Team consisting of 4 or 5 males and one female. One of • the male Red Cross visitors was a doctor. One or two of the males had viously inspected AG eprlicr that
(During the Sep to Dec time w mace periodic visits I would see some of !ICY former interrogators who had moved to AG — none of them ever mentioned abuse or humiliation of detainees, unauthorized photos or videos, use of dogs or any questionable interrogation practices such as stripping detainees, use of sleep deprivation or stress positions. We had received training on the Geneva Convention and used to discuss it a lot while at Ft Dix and Kuwait prior to deployment. I do not remember any specific training or orientation in Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROEs), but during my time at BIAP there was a process of requesting authority through the chain of command for some interrogation practices. I believed the way the system worked at AG was to send the request thru •• Cerro ation o s NCOIC/Team Leader to COL Pappas, via 205 th JAG offic
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Subic9bed and sworn to before me, a person authorized by law to adminisier oaths, this 8 day of ' June 2004 at Metro Park Springfield, VA
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(11111111At tim might have to a le review oro from his boss ICE and
or other sources.* TrFT—Tri knowle Ops worked very closely with in requesting and obtaining infonna to schedules for AG other and Tiger Teams. I understood tha the Director of the JIDC, but I had
little if any contact with him. I had very little to do with the actual running of AG, even
after COL Pappas was assigned as the Commander of the FOB. It was my understanding
that COL Pappas did not "control" the MPs or their work in running the detention and
confinement aspects of AG. MPs did MP work and MI did MI work; even in training
scenarios in the States, MI and MP operations were kept separate and trained only in their
own MOS's. From the outset the 325 did not seem to be welcomed by or accepted by the
519th; this might have been due to the active component vice reserve component culture
or it could have stemmed from previous times when the two organization were assigned
in the same area. In my time at BIAP and at AG I did not see, hear about or become
aware of any abuse or humiliation of detainees. I did not see, hcar.of or become aware of
any unauthorized photos or videos of detainees. I did not see, hoar of or become aware of
any use of dogs for interrogation purposes. 1 did not see, hear about or become aware of
any detainees being stripped and kept in the nude or of detainees having to wear women's
underwear.
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