Fay Report Annex: Statement of Civilian Contractor (CACI), Interrogator re: Detainee Interrogations at Abu Ghraib Prison

Contract interrogator from CACI assigned to Abu Ghraib from November 23, 2003 to the end of January 2004. The Interrogator stated "I never personally used or saw dogs being used in interrogations. My impression was that the dogs were used as an initial scare tactic to set the stage for select interrogations. Sleep management and deprivation were also used when authorized. It was generally implemented by keeping lights on in the detainee's cell for 20 of the 24 hours and varying the detainee's feeding schedule to throw, off the detainee's biorhythm.” He recalled his team leader, a doctor, coming to him and saying if "they" went any harder on the detainee he may have a stroke. The interviewee's roommate recounted a story to him one night, he told the interviewee he got hold of a detainee-general's son, dirtied the son's clothes and face to make it appear he had been roughed up and placed the son in the corner of the interrogation booth and brought the general in to see him. The general broke down and became cooperative upon seeing his son in that condition.

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Interview
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Friday, June 4, 2004
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Wednesday, March 2, 2005
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6410 Battlecreek Court, West Valley City, Utah 84118111
WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH:

Toyed as a contract interrogator working for CACI at Abu Ghraib (AG) Prison, Iraq, from 23 Nov 03 to the And of Jan
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04. I received a telephone call from CACI and offered the interrogator position in late Sep 03, having
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friend because of my Strategic Debnefer work and interrogator experience at Guantanamo Bay (GTMO). Program Manager, offered me the position after a telephonic interview. I have had about • y r NT, including both interrogation operations and Counterintelligence Tactical HUMINT. I was on active duty with the Army and graduated from the HUMINT Collector (MOS 97E) Course at Fort Huachuca, AZ, in Aug 94. Highlights of my active duty experience include working at the 66th Military Intelligence (MI) Brigade in Augsburg, Germany; conducting strategic debriefings for the On-Sight Inspection Agency (OSIA) (the predecessor to the Defense Threat Reduction Agency (DTRA)); serving on a Force Protection Team and Interrogator for a six month deployment in Bosnia. After leaving active duty, I joined the 300th MI Brigade, Utah Army National Guard, at the beginning of 1999 and eventually got a full time position there. In Jul 02, I was activated for deployment to GTMO and served as an interrogator there. for about seven months from early Aug 02 to late Feb 03. I
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then went to Colorado to train elements of the 142nd MI BN (part of 300th MI BDE, Utah National Guard) and then deployed
Kuwait in Apr to Jun 03 to continue training of further elements of the 142nd. I was deactivated at the end of Jun 03 and returned
to Utah until I was deployed to Iraq in the CACI position in Nov 03. I arrived at the Baghdad International Airport (BIAP) on
gs were run and how bad the conditions were. I,about 21 Nov 03 and then at AG on 23 Nov 03. I was amazed• a CACI Vice President who was visiting Iraq. Ialong with oth ntractors, had a meeting with •• .cred not staying due to the conditions and how

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also met with• the CACI site manager at•
•1 1 decided to stay and see if things woult.

ut after a conversation wi •poorly things• ided to stay and contribute what I could
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better. Within two weeks, I realized that they needed experien • •
a CACI analyst, showed me around AG on an initial tour. but I did not receive any initial training or verbal briefing on the
Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROE). I was provided a cursory hardcopy briefing which included 1ROE, which I had to sign
acknowledging I had read it. When I read the IROE, nothing in particular surprised me about them, mainly because of my
experience. at GTMO. Those techniques on the left side of the IROE slide were standard techniques derived from FM 34-52.
Somc of the techniques listed on the right side of the IROE slide were proposed and argued back and forth at GTMO. I believe
dogs were used at GTMO interrogations, although i never personally used or saw dogs being used in interrogations. My
impression was that the dogs were used as an initial scare tactic to set the stage for select interrogations. Sleep management and
deprivation were also used when authorized. It was generally implemented by keeping lights on in the detainee's cell for 20 of the
24 hours and varying the detainee's feeding schedule to throw, off the detainee's biorhythm. Dietary manipulation and stress
positions were also used, with approval, at GTMO. In possibly Dcc 03, I became suspicious of a possible
abuse. I was working on the Special Projects Team and was handed a High Value D
who was a former major general in the Political Bureau of the former Iraqi regime.
and he was given to me on 25 Dec 03. He was in his late 50s to early
my team leader, came to me and said that a doctor had told him that if they went
a stroke. I preferred a lowi•iicalmer approach to interrogation and I thi
this, saying tha off,•• ' •e original interroga
to the detainee
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had al.... .• • thrown around and against a wall during a previous interrogation and
e. 1 was initially skeptical of his claimsHe also claimed that he had been wakened at all hours of the night file, I did • • t fin.•plainbecause the detainees often lied and made false claims. In reviewm Then•

the injuries and I began to sus one or two session my
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9. ST ENT 1Coneinuod1 been drinking and was telling "war stories'. Hetell
as my roommate and one night we were in our room an how got the general's son and had dirtied up
e a story saying he had done a really good job on a general.
re mistreated. He had the general's son in the corner of one
the son's clothes and face to make him look like he had been roughed of the interrogation booths and brought the general in to see him. The general broke down when he saw his son and started to
. . him. I had the impression that
another general, but it did

cooperate. He said that he had tried the Iso related a story about
t was handed over to me.
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this other general was th I think the sergeant was very
working with a military interrogator sergeant
another interrogation. had ' t ask straightforward questions, and then would readily believe the detainee's

good because he woul go into intern an unidentified
he decided to be more aggressive. During an interrogation of
response. fly this frustrate booth. The eyebolt was intended to be wed •
d-cuffed the etainee to the eye bolt on the floor of thedetainee,
detainee to the floor, not the hand-cuffs. By doing this, it place the detainee in a position where he was
the leg irons o tl g the interrogation had asked •
squatting or knelling down next to the table with his nose right above table level. The kicked the table from theall his questions, was satisfied with the answers and was finishing up nary interrogator thought the table bottom with such force that ' and hit the ceiling of the booth id tba c
occasion. I was walking a detainee back to his allid not believe that it did. On anoactually hit the detainee, bu

While doing so. I saw an inmate on the floor with both his arms rnd lets through the bats

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on the cell. and this arms and feet cuffed. There was a "ghetto blaster" on the-floor in front of him with loud music playing. This detainee was clothed. and 1 never saw any naked detainees. Other than these instances and others previously documented in CID
Sworn Sutements. 1 did not witness and am not aware of any instances of detainee abuse. While I saw dogs present within the Hard Site. I never saw dogs being used in interrogations at AG. I never requested, nor ever saw, any request to employ exceptional techniques as listed on the right band side of the ROE slide, and I never used any of them. Therefore, I don't bow
directed that I not discuss details of this inquiry with anyone otherwho the approval authority was. I understand thin
than those n tors I bow to be directly invo ve inquiry,, or with my legal counsel. I have nothing further to add to
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