Fay Report Annex: Statement of CACI On-Site Civilian Manager for Interrogators at Abu Ghraib Prison re: Interrogations and Management Issues at Abu Ghraib Prison

This is a sworn statement from a CACI civilian contractor assigned to Abu Ghraib prison in early October 2003 as an “on-site manager” of CACI employees, and as an interrogator himself. He described his understanding on how to treat detainees and conduct interrogations at Abu Ghraib in the following way: “There are two Code[s] of Conducts: One for operations in other areas and one for operations in Iraq. The latter came in at a later time, dated 22 Nov 2003. Once on the ground at Abu Ghraib, We received training on the Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROE) and we signed the IROEs. Nothing we were briefed was out of the ordinary from the Interrogation Field Manual or what we had learned at the schoolhouse. I felt pretty comfortable with the interrogation procedures in place. I understood and believed the rest of the CACI contractors understood the IROE quite well.” As for allegations of detainee abuse he said “I was never made aware of or saw any detainee abuse, photos of detainees being abused or videos of detainees being abused… I did hear of dogs being used but the use of dogs had to be approved by higher. I never heard or saw any dog bite a detainee.”

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Monday, May 3, 2004
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Wednesday, March 2, 2005
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SWORN STATEMENT
For use of this form, see AR 190-45; the proponent agency is ODCSOPS

PRIVACY ACT STATEMENT
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DISCLOSURE: 1. LOCATION CAMP VICTORY Disclosure of your social security number is voluntary. 2. DATE fYYYYM 2004/05/0 3. TIME 121 4. FILE NUMBER
6. LAST NAME, FIRST ME, MIDDLE NAME 16. SSN 7. GRADEiSTATUS

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ORGANIZATION OR ADDRESS CJTF-7 C2X, Camp Victory, Bagdhad Iraq, APO AE 09342

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WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH:

I arrived at Abu Ghraib on 5 October. My duties were site manager for CACI contractors and as an interrogator. Due to my duties as Site Manager I was only involved in two interrogations and observe a few others. It basically kept me from conducting interrogations due to the site managing duties taking up all my time. Before arriving; in country, we in-processed through CRC and received and signed the CACI Code of Ethics (Copy has been furnished). Some contractors signed it in Iraq. There are two Code of Conducts. One for operations in other areas and one for operations in Iraq. The latter came in at a later time, dated 22 Nov 2003. Once on the ground at Abu Ghraib, We received training on the Interrogation Rules of Engagement ()ROE) and we signed the IROEs. Nothing we were briefed was out of the ordinary from the Interrogation Field Manual or what we had learned at the
. procedures in place. I understood and believed the rest of the CACIschoolhouse. I felt pretty comfortable with ' riefed us on the concept of Tiger Teams (1 x interrogator, 1 x Analyst,
contractors understood the !ROE quite well. 1 x Translator). We were given an orientati and tour o Abu Ghraib. After two weeks on the ground (around 20 October). two Mobile Training Teams came to Abu Ghraib to train us.. The team from GTMC instructed us on Arab culture, the history plus other subjects and helped guide the _UDC with the GTMO Tigr Team Concept. The Team from Fort Huachuca focused on
n was covered during this
wri . , interrogation techniques plus other subject. I know that training. was in charge of the Interrogation Control Element (ICE), was in charge of Operations, and there as ano er operations officer but I don't remember him but he didn't r y come to the site. I am not really sure who was in charge. There were many units and organizations on the ground. I didn't really interact with the MPs and do not know who was in charge of the MPs. Who was in charge of Abu Ghraib. until COL PAPPAS became the FOB commander. I do not
der for the MI units. Even though he didn't stay on site, his presence was there. The first training -
know. COL PAPPAS was c o
as sometime mid October. I would go to him when I had issues because he got things done.
recollection I have of He was everywhere. c was The g to guy who made things happen. When COL PAPPAS took charge of the FOB that was good -the MI mission and the MPCommande
news because now we had one person in charge. My view is that MI Cdrs should focus on should be the one in charge of detainee operatias due to doctrinal MP duties and responsibilities. But it was good that one person was in charge. I was never made aware of or saw any detainee abuse•otos o •c s bein abused or vi f detainees
mooned it to
being abuse. The only incident I became aware of was die o e w rt r out of interrogation operauo•but I never
me and I believe he is the one who reported it to higher. as w of any • sciplinary actions taken. I did hear of dogs being used but
beard of it again and it really wasn't discussed. I do not the use of dogs had to be approved by higher. I never heard or saw any dog bite a detainee. One of the problems I saw as soon as we arrived was the lack of resources; not enough computers (ours did not arrive until November); the paucity of logistical and personnel suppor was a detriment to the mission. We were issued the majority our TA-50 at Fort Bliss, Kuwait or upon arrival in Iraq. There were also not enough MPs for escorting detainees, supervising detainees nor for'Force Protection; Internal Quick Response Force (IQRF) or the External QRF. We had frequent mortal attacks in the evenings but then the attacks began to occur during the daylight hours in January 04. There was some concern about the safety of personnel since we were conducting some operations outside of bard sites. Most of the CACI contractors were concerned that they did not have a weapon to defend ee t our times. I was never
themselves. The Internatioaal Community Red Cross (ICRC) came to visit Abu Ghrai made aware of any issues that the ICRC had identified. There was a contractor named bo had personal issues ision lnterrogatin Facility.
with other contractors (was perceived to not play well with others). He was reassigned to I Armor He worked there for a while and return to Abu Ghraib where he worked in .e D • ee Assessment Bo • d. He ... _. hie Supervisor had differences as to his screening techniques. The Supe .. • felt
•uld go • yond mg Ise • ec
screening techniques were too aggressive for the screening mission.
• eft Abu Ghraib, CACI employment
approach, but there was never any abuse to detainees. On 21 DececrfbEr 200 with hours of notice. 1 had a concern with Iraqi security Guards being used • guard the en
e to outside of the Isolation Area (the U.S. side). 1 brought this issue up during one of the morning meetings. At that point, I was told it was being addressed. A few weeks after that, the shooting in the prison occur. l was shown a few photos with military personnel, civilians, and detainees
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AN Linguist on three photos. I was also able toidenti AN Linguist on a photo with an iindividual w a
detainee ho seems o be in a stress on. Pass terro d. The other photos are photos o a regular of detainees. The photo with a naked individual on the ground with o • r military personaround. sitting on the floor leaning BIS the watt.' Before the photos were shown to me. I had never seen any images
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