Interviewee was assigned to AG in October 2003 as a member of the Tiger Team.
Interviewee recalled an interrogation where a member of the interrogation team was among those attacked/injured in an earlier mortar attack believed to be perpetrated by the suspect-detainee. In the first incident, the detainee was being interrogated, and at one point [redacted] told the detainee to roll down his jumpsuit and insinuated that he would make the detainee totally disrobe if the detainee did not cooperate. The interrogator expressed their discomfort with the event and [redacted] ended the interrogation.
Interviewee recalled another incident in early October where a detainee was being interrogated, but [redacted] felt the detainee was uncooperative and suggested putting the detainee in solitary. Interviewee stated that he/she did not think solitary was effective, but fifteen minutes later an MP was called, the MP jammed a bag over the detainees head, grabbed his handcuffs and said "come with me piggy' and led the detainee to solitary confinement. Later, the interviewee recalled going to the detainee's cell and finding him naked with the hood over his head whimpering. The same MP came over and yelled at the detainee, 'you've been moving little piggy, you know you shouldn't move' and "yanked" the hoodie all the way down. The interviewee also recalled the MP stated 'I want to thank you guys, because up until a week or two ago, I was a good Christian.' Also stated,"[t]he 'stripping incident' or the isolation technique were never reported in any interrogator notes or interrogation plan."
Interviewee recalled hearing about an incident where detainee died of heart problems during an OGA investigation.
Interviewee also recalled the evening of a shooting in the facility that working dogs were present, but did not see them used during interrogations.
Also, recalled hearing that a detainee was walking out of an interrogation naked.
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currently a Sergeant assigned to the 6th Battalion (BN), 98th Division (Institutional Training), Ayer, MA, as an Intelligence Analyst (MOS 96B). I graduated from the Intelligence Center and School, Fort Huachuca, AZ, and was granted MOS 96B in Dec
02. I returned to my reserve unit to serve as an Instructor/Trainer, but was home only about a month when I volimurered for duty at the Detention Facility at Guantanamo Bay (GTMO), Cuba. I returned to Huachuca 03 via the Readiness Processing Center at Fort Benning and atunded a three to four week "Tiger Team Course" intended for 96Bs deploying to GTMO. The course provideC a brief overview of interrogation operations and principles, a brief discussion of approved interrogation approaches, procedures for coordinating information acquired from interrogations, how to work hand and hand with interrogators, and a brief discussion of the Geneva Convention, but there were no practical interrogation exercises, for the analyst portion of the training. I then deployed to GTMO on 14 Feb, and remained there until early Oct 03. While at GTMO, I worked closely with interrogators and had some first hand knowledge of interrogation procedures and techniques. In early Oct 03, I was sent as part of a Tiger Team to Abu Ghraib (AG) in Iraq. MG MTh! FR, the GTMO Commander, had just returned to GTMO from a week-long assistance visit at AG, because it looked, statistically speaking, that there was little information coming out of AG. I was part of the follow-on team with the mission to identify systemic problems at AG and recommend corrections and solutions based on the 0 exrieace. The GTMO Tiger Team consisted o earn Leader and MOS 351E
_ (9613), US Marine Corps yst, equivalent to 96B), and myself. We arrived at AG via BIArin I can not recall the exact date remained at AG until approximately 16 Dec 03. We were greeted at AG b us ammunition for our 9MM pistols since we did not have any, and we COL PAPPAS was at AG quite frequently, but I didn't have much tact with him. I did . The entire GTMO team with the exception of , who was busy with • briefed by of the 519th MI BN. iefed the general operations at AG, the history of AG, and presented her slide sta the Intelligence Rules of Engagement (IROE), of which she was quite proud. From a "professional interrogator perspective', I did not see anything terribly alarming, and assumed thsta e "rough and rumble" techniques beyond those listed in FM 34-52 (those listed on the right-hand column of _ were occasionally approved because Iraq was a war zone, and GTMO was more of a garrison environment. Because I was the junior GTMO team member (I was a Specialist at the time) and because I did not want to come a a being a 'know it all" from GTMO, I did not really question the advanced techniques listed on the slide. 'd voice his concern over one of the exceptional techniques listed on the right-hand side of thf.t. slide, but ended that these techniques were, when approved, used at AG an that such techniques were
w". I was assigned to one of the preexis " rmer Regime Loyalists" section interrogation 'Tiger Teams
i97E) was the team leader and was the interrogator and I was to provide analyst support
observe how the Tiger team concept was working at G. In late Nov 03, I was moved from the FRL section and worked with the GTMO detachment where 1 worked on Analyst Support Packages, and I continued in this capacity until I departed AG on 12 Dec 03. From my arrival at AG in early Oct 03 to late Nov 03, 1 logged in approximately fifty-seven interrogation booth hours. The first interm scion in wh . I participated was in early01
) ..16trx)k place in one of the wooded booths and I observed from behind the glass. was the lead interrogator , vas there as an analyst, and there was an Interpreter/ Translator (1/7) w ose name I can't recall. He was known to me aslhe "crabby old bastard", and was an elderly "middle eastern" man with a horse-shoe balding pattern, long white hair, squat and compact, had a poc-marked nose (most notable facial feature), and always wore full Desert Combat Uniforms (DCUs). Although our team was concentrated on Former Regime Loyalists, this detainee in this inte . a "force protection" detainee who was supposedly involved in a mortar attack on AG. This wasthe attack in win as injured, and it concerned me that he was going to partici pate in the interrogation of the very detainee who was suspected o injuring him. When I realized this, 1 asked him right before the inal i l with this and he said he didn't have a problem with it and continued into the interrogation booth.ibegan if he was OK
had the detainee in
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his oration junnasuit down to his waitt and insinuated Thai. he -would Ixt.stripped further if-the detainee did not cO .perate. The
interrogation -ended rather tiuick.lv when the liT objcnted tri the lactic and refused to continue with the interrogation. The tactic
seemed in ft: is the edge and 1 rt orted the inc .derit, Kati the rolling down a the jumpsuit and the ft hat the ItT had walked
nut taa the interrogation, to and he said he wcauld lake. can: of it". I asked bout €t and he rte e
w rationally c =Mint echnique -atise that particular etain= was a caac th teal trying to hs
that it as an ope
lilt-asaitil;. I never discussed the incident with brought it t uttattiortthat such trimmunti would ices t ,
lie nit is' pnagress that. might have been • with the detainee thus tar, t site reminded with words to the effiva ilia
knew what he seas doing-id Lorne tuck to me sonietimelater and asked why I had reposed the la or
us ,. ig out on fad: interrogation, ) la, I iat le Jrf was orte of thc hentr ones. However he never asked or confronted me about
why 1 had reported. hart tier the incident. Also in early Oct 03, I I:arta:4%11ml in that waauld have her my third or in
interro ninon Vie were rtgerVieWing a deianzce for gic. 1 -1rS: time; though ages was MU A Scree ning ir KB interview and
asked Inc if I dwagin we should place One. of dic detainees in solitary I:oaf/mm.1 fora few hours in the ritaklle of the
m tgation. I told him that I did nal thin •. it was at ver:' effective =tic auil wottkl harm any rapport with the detainee, -ban that
be was the interrogator and it was his call. ceded w place the detainee...in solitary 411W an MP came to the both to
etaion him to Cell Block IA. The MP jam s. a nag over his head, grahbal the ituruktiftS restraining the detainee. And staid .taime
in , li:se -..ome with me Piggy'. and he lead the detainee to solitary. We went to lunch :toil the int:Watt. taititintici to ixitherine.
d I returned to 1.A alter lunch (we „lid nett have an PT with tui and eau-vet:I til: detainees eelI. We It/and -him lying
x , contracit:ly tiaktal except tor a hood that catvercal his head from his upper hp, vehimpering, tan there were no Elites or marks on tarn 1 was simply unprepared and horrified tit what I saw. We instructed the MPs to clothe the detainee,, lathith they, did. I asked 1 he knew the MPs were going V: strip the detainee, and he said that he :ilii not know. All Itiould think :llama was ho . . s (A1S the incident was. 1 dines ever: think i ask the MPs why they had done it. The MP made the statement "1 vinra to thank you guys. because up until a week or two ago, I was a good Christian'. "Mc statement. was atmtist -IN-like" 'chaps uttered for thenartc client, and I am not sure ;that the MP meant by it. From digital Pliotographs shown to me this day. I believe the MI' was eitac Both look very similar and f only saw the MP one time-, so I cannot say with certainty whieh one It .. w , t i not wear glasses. After the .clatainee wag 01011104, We e$0)1tAX1 hint to the girieral eopunaton and release Ihrn without intmangating him again. 'law "striping incident' was never reported iit . ariy "interrogator sones or "interrogation plan": to my knowledge. This ants not =common, and the eenerail lack of intars.ation notes Arks met)! the CiTMt.:) "linerTeam findings. I renamed this incident t: ti he said that he would report the incident o COL PAPPAS Stmetitile in inid-Oat 03, 1 had T.• first esrannrnen in I ac hard site,
and 1 were escorting a dentinal: lion the central lantilock ant transierring Nin to solitary eon ineinen n no ow i . mason
or eireamstances since taterisigators made such deeta tali. Military Policeman (MP) on duty at the. hard site,
met us as the dour 10 Cell hook1 A. cry,. ;nun a ' drill
drnIl aergeant intimidation" role. hellovning at tical diaainee (thedetainer.: likciy didn -: antiersttaral him anywasn. but did non oriserve arty abuse or anything out Of the ordinary in aiiy oldie area 01 the hard site that I observed on that visit.111.11111‘id n ot remove the detainee's clothes. Duthie.tats imam/ration. a can d. ti
ausee walkenes:. laud and UnreNiraIrsed trom 1..r,e %..;ir ),,.;,. wine paddock 116,;(1inc,, area at the central A6 courtyard to theinterrot;anuti Th., sneak me is strant:i.-. since al ti-t-Msi all tlettlinsa-s moving, u unerrog,ations would be m'shBined and escorted. Tios was the first interrogation dunny which the det.itnee could see me. Prior to this, and at all interrogations - C;TMO I haditiwitys hen ta...aann Oast.. In late Nw. 03 there V: us ,i ::11 ¦¦Ol in .,., incident in the had Nile. At about 1731) hours.
nailed e mecum an the dinning lacility, cal/Mine) that over the past tea- days there :laid lxcn sonic things brat* into . tux. rt had cairn Mated in a silo:in:in incident at the hard sire. He asked for volunteers to go down to the hard she. I volunteered alongwin there wain: a number cif others but I do not recall their nem_ .. . . L ofour rut( e rattle and wirapin.s and anynal at the uni site about a half hour alter the actual shouting. Than. was an MP canon and several MPs already on the scene and a group 4.:1 several Iraqi Police (ti's). The .114% were Iftx•d up and
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L-r, Laken ,..,1;s: 6.. (mu 14 , he x.ers.:hc4.1 told quesooner.', shout her possible involvement. 'Ilie detainees were all teetered in their tails. !sly resp, nrui ninny was to guard the 1Ps and transmrt them from the holding area to be search. Somstrip-scanted and two Were tell only in their underwear and held in the hallway. Someone as the she Bait as in enarp,L 01 thrtaatng the interrogations, thisugti I did not see him conduct one personally. I saw One interrogation in the Ica way,but was coneentrated on watching the IPs. so I did no: sec much in what else was (incurring. There st..en:. workin , dtt s rL.sc'nt.rut 1 i see, nor hear of, working does being used in any nuernigations. I heard the next day tha theIll were woricnt: tog:Aber. Out I did not see theni ;Aid night. I also found out the next day till td beet bitten by one til le Jags. I staved throughout the night and finally de nni-tent at abaut dawn. I heard ahotit the inet eel whim:a detainee surrosedi \ dit.kt of congenial heart rirK4ilizns titiruig an Ck3A inierml!atilm at AG. hut I did not believe i til I say., it the news, antin tour months after my micas:: front :active tiuil, 1 also heard about an incident that tneoivec walking -naked detainee out i a an interrogation. but I di; not have any first hand knowledge of the incident. We nes
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rrikes:Incs as a toehntgeie at C)Tiv10, rem did we use military working cit.-Ts We never advised am , ix:normal an. AG to iiiiliie any
0' tness. techniques. Sleep deprivation and management had beer, discontinues! much earlier than the GIMO cietachrnent visit to AG. There wits one occasion an whiell my AG Tiger 'I can requested that a (ic:ainee he placed on Sleep management but mynewt:ha:ant ban detained AG before the requet was pracessed and I limn not pi:Ts:malty aware of any sleep management being
employed 1:1 AG. I nevi: gave a tour 01 AG facilities it incoming perminocl. and, to the hcst of my knowledge., no one from II
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also briefed the AG Command before departing AG. f the 519th MI N was also present=his meeung d was knowledgeable of the findings and recommendations. During meeting, we discussed the incidents types like the ones described above ; how they should be avoided and other recommendations but did not make reference to specific events.I was ordered by MG Fay this day not to discuss the inquiry or in it with anyone other than officials I know to be involve; with the inquiry. I have nothing further to add to this statem 1111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111 111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111/1111/1111111 . ENT11111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111111
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