Fay Report Annex: DOD Interview re: Conditions at Abu Ghraib Detention Facility

Interviewee visited AG approximately five times.
His/her sworn statement generally discusses the military protocol at AG.

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Interview
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Sunday, May 23, 2004
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Wednesday, March 2, 2005
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323rd Military Intelligence Battalion, Fon Meade, Maryland 20755
WANT TO MAKE THE FOLLOWING STATEMENT UNDER OATH:
the CommaTuiPr of the 323rd Military Intelligence (MI) Battalion (BN), Fort Meade, Maryland, having assumed Command on 17 Nov 01. The 323rd MI mobilized on 21 Jan 03. After spending almost eight weeks of preparation and training at the Northeast Army Reserve Intelligence Support Center (NEARISC) at Fort Dix, New Jersey, we deployed and arrived in Kuwait on 28 Mar 03, and initially stayed at Camp Udairi, KU. 1 crossed into Iraq on or about 15 May 03 and the battalion followed by companies over the next 30 days except for A Company which remained in KU. We departed Iraq out of Baghdad by air on 12 Mar 04, and returned to Kuwait, where we remained until we redeployed to US on 31 Mar 04. While at the NEARISC at FortDix, the 323rd MI was being crossed leveled with approximately 70 personnel who arrived sporadically and in small numbers over several weeks. The 70 additional personnel integrated well and the battalion congealed into a cohesive unit. The 323rd was authorized 294 personnel, but we arrived in Theater with only 198 personnel, considerably under strength. While at Fort Dix, we awaited enough personnel to get to P-2 status, but we never made it. and we finally received a waiver for deployment. While at the NEARISC, 323rd MI interrogators received approximately three to three and a half weeks of training provided by the ARISC personnel, which I personally observed. Interrogation training was first and foremost practice in the interrogation boothsutilizing various approaches. Although I did not personally witness it, I believe the interrogators received classes in Geneva Convention requirements and Interrogation Rules of Engagement. Records documenting the training may be on file at.the NEARISC. The 325th MI BN was also at the Fort Dix NEARISC processing and training for deployment at the same time. The 323rd and 325th trained simultaneously, but separately, and the NEARISC priority at the time was to support the training anddeployment preparation of the two battalions. Although the 325th had arrived at Fort Dix later than the 323rd, both units deployed to Kuwait on the same day. We arrived in Kuwait on 28 Mar 03 and initially staged at Camp Udairi, Kuwait. The32 rd was a Theater level collection and exploitation battalion that was war-traced to the 513th MI Bnga.de (BDE)01111.111111.
Commander) which supported Coalition Forces Land Component Command (CFLCC) in Kuwait and Iraq.'We spent
approximately two months at Camp Udairi where we continued with some training and war preparation. At the time of our
arrival in Kuwait, 1 had the 323rd organized with one headquarters company and three line units. A Co was the SIGINT and
MASINT company with approximately 20 personnel. A Co was almost immediately cut to the 201st MI upon our arrival in

Kuwait. B Co was the Countenmelli e c had approximately 48 personnel. After the war began, B Co was cut tothe 221st MI Battalion to screen the EK) at Camp Asluaf north of Baghdad (approximately 22 Jun - 30Aug 03). C Co was the Interrogati parry, with annytical ability and a COMTECH platoon. Initially there was a 513th MIBde plan for the 323rd to support rn "Intelligence Support Base', possibly at Camp Udairi, but it never came to fruition. After the war began, our mission was to relieve N in place. The 202nd had ongoing interrogation operations at CampBucca and we assumed those operations. ttached to the 202nd from the 141st MI BN, Utah National Guard, was the Officer-in-Charge (OIC) of interrogation opera at Bucca. We also assumed the mission of interrogation operations ofblack listed detainees in Baghdad. Because the 141st was attached to the 202nd at the time, we basically retained those personnelwhen we assumed the 202nd mission. We also had essentially a 'caretaker" mission at BIAP until the Iraqi Survey Group (ISG) took over operations, and C Co was detached to support the ISG. Camp Cropper was primarily under the 325th MI BN and we had no real role there. On 22 Jun 03, the 323rd was attached to the 205th MI BDE (COL PAP AS r). Afterinterrogation operations at Camp Bucca began to shut down on approximately 20 Aug 03, as moved from Bucca to Abu Ghurayb (AG) and was assigned the role of Operations Officer for the Joint Interrogation Dtbrie C-.' .1D1 only had about 12 soldiers that I was residing at BIAP at this time and 1 bad wanted to bringBIAP to make him my S-3, but (205th MI Brigade S-3 on behalf of COL PAPPAS) directed Iliaassume the JD1C Operations Officer roe. I was dot involved in decisions concerning the establishment or manningrIll theAG. I do not recall exactly when I first visited AG, but I suspect it was toward the and I can not recall the specific reason, although it probabl was to meet with his soldiers. suppo theJDIC, but he indicated to t was r e one in charge of AG in gatson rations. 1* want to disrupt ys m o Lion by Irnmediately interjecting himself into the operati ,,

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apparently felt confident and comfortable enough that cad e on interrogation operations, and he concentrated his efforts on logistical and administrative matters. I viewed the person on the ground who ran the interrogation
'operations. Through discussions with 205th MI BDE staff members can not recall specific individuals or exact discussions), I had the impression that COL PAPPAS was wider quite a lot of pressure at the time to produce quality, actionable intelligence I from the interrogations at AG. I believe LTG SANCHEZ was not happy with the inte lligence coming out of AG, felt AG was the
best place where he could get actionable intelligence, and really wanted COL PAPPAS to focus his efforts and attention on AG. By about 15 Jul 03, 1 perceived that, as a result of the focus of LTG SANCHEZ on AG, COL PAPPAS emphasis was increasingly concentrated on AG as well. Between late Aug 03 and 15 Feb 04, 1 visited AG five or six times. Generally the reason was to visit my soldiers, but a tasking to stand up a Company (HSC-Provisional) increased my involvement at AG. I received a SIPRNET message floral -3, 205th MI Brigade) saying that I would need to
!stand up the HSC since it appeared I had more available personne an u else. It was at this that i t they
I were looking for a JDIC Chief and that my name was on the short list for selection. At this ti .ej at •
least temporarily in charge of the AG JDIC and he was finally selected as the Chief, JIDC). My last visit to AG, a t 15 Jan
04, was when I resided at AG for seven days while I conducted an Article 15-6 • • • into an incident involv a S

. N 'anal Guard Rear Area Operations Center unrela to the JDIC or A interroption operations. 1
o be the HSC Commander. He, like the 12 soldiers be had taken with him from Camp B
, were m the 141st MI BN, Utah National Guard, and it made to me, since 141st were already
effectively functioning in a staff and support bould assume the HSC Command. i can not recall

lthe exact tune this took place but it wa of come on the scene at AG. eus related AG was logisticand administrative support. as responsible Or interrogation operations (pe CO, 205th MI Brigade). During my visits o AG. I saw w t appeared to by very competent, experienced professionals. Given the capabilitiesand experience of the Ml leadership at AG, I believed they had a solid handle on operations. I did not look into interrogationoperations because it was not my role. COL PAPPAS had been going back and forth between his Brigade HQ in Baled and AG.After he moved to AG permanently in the Oct-Nov 03 timeframe, I did not have any doubt that COL. PAPPAS was in charge ofAG. He was active, involved, and energetic about the mission. I never had any occasion to interview any CACI contractinterrogators and I never observed any of them in action. mentioned to me that he felt confident enough with,and.did not express a lot of concern about, the CACI mtefrogators. t little concern he had was because he was not certain about the currency or bow recent their experience was I never had any conversations concerning specific •techniques. While at Baghdad, but I can not provide any speci ccs'. ased on conversations I bad with some of ray warrant officers
I am confident that they understood very clearly that they were limited only to interrogation and techniquesin FM 34-52. I am not aware of any incidents beyond accepted Army techniques as specific in FM 34-52, and no one
ever talked about using approaches beyond established norms I personally never witnessed any incidents ofthortzed trey nt of detainees or unauthorized uuertogation tee us. There an incident that mtold me a that took place in Jul 03 • w a prisoner at p Bucca struck toe groan by an MP reported the incident to e P Chain tnmand and the MP was reportedly puru
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incident. This is the only such incident of which am aware. I cannot recall seeing anyone taking photographs or video, andno one ever reported such activities to me (each of the prison facilities had signs clearly posted
in that hotos of the prison
were forbidden). Nor did I ever see or hear of any incidents involving military working dogs.dd mention to meonce that a 205th soldier (not in my Command) had come forward about the MPs at AG drinking— and partying and one 205th
soldier not in my Commr

ith them. COL PAPPAS reportedly punished the soldier under UCMJ. 111111.
old me that he and ere trying to keep MI soldiers a m the MPs because some of th

-E MPs
were perceived as "party animals" and potential problems after the drinking episode.
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