The interviewee is a Major who was initially assigned to Camp Bucca, but was transferred to AG around September 23-27, 2003, after Camp Bucca consolidated with AG. The Major recounted general observations; did not recall seeing detainees abused or humiliated.
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Intelligence Battalion, Utah Army National Guard, Logan, Utah 84020B Co. 141st Military.
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I am the Commander of B Company, 141st Military intelligence (MI) Battalion (BN), Utah Army National Guard, Logan, Utah, and, having assumed Command on 24 Jul 02. The 141st MI.mobilized on 7 Feb 03, to support Operation Iraqi Freedom. After spending about two weeks and a half ai the mobilization site at Fort Carson, CO, undergoing deployment preparation and training, we deployed and arrived in Kuwait on 4 Mar 03 We stayed two nights at Camp Wolf and then moved to Camp Udairt, KU, on 6 Mar 03. I crossed into Iraq on or about 21 Apr 03. I departed Iraq on 8 Feb 04, and returned to Kuwait, where we
During my deployment, I took 'Rest and Relation' leave from 14 Nov to
remained until I redeployed to US on about 14 Feb 04.
2 Dec 03. The 141st MI FWD3 mobilized for deployed with 98 personnel. Most of the training at Fort Carson was concentrated on convoy operations. react to fire. weapons qualification, and threat briefings. I do not recall receiving any classes regarding Geneva Convention requirements or Interrogation Rules of Engagement. Upon our arrival in Kuwait, most of the 141st was
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farmed out to fill positions in different companies in the 202nd MI BN. Most of my leadership was also farmed out _was assigned to the 202nd Tactical Operations Center and served in'.;-.3 Operations until 21 Apr 03, whe (202nd MI BN Commander) assigned me to be the 202nd/513th liaison officer to the 800th Military Police
• DE) at Camp Bucca, Iraq. After the 202nd MI redeployed in Jun 03. 1 remained with the 323rd. MI, and I became the
Officer-in-Charge of the Joint Interrogation Facility 01F) at Camp Bucca. I never saw or heard of any interrogation techniques
being used at Bucca that were inconsistent with FM 34-52 and 1 never saw or heard of any abuses. The Bucca facility was a joint
British./US facility. US interrogators predominately used the Direct Approach and focused on calling the detainee on
inconsistencies in his answers. British interrogators appeared to focus on Fear Up and used a lot of yelling. I received word via
e-mail from the 205th MI BDE S-3 that the decision had been made to consolidate interrogation operations at Abu Ghurayb (AG).
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and 1 began shutting down Bucca interrogation operations to begin the transition to AG. About 23-27 Sep 03, _nth me from Bucca the last six 141st and 323rd soldiers I had with me there. When I arrived at AG,
was
intro_ as the Deputy Direct of the Jo _ ogation Center and C_as the Operations Officer and_ if the 519th MI BN was the Int neared to me that they were st ming and in-proccssin chief of my ICE at Bucca, and I recommended that he head up the AG screening process. also 141st soldiers I had brought With me from Bucca, were also assigned to the screenin Was ince few incoming detainees arrived with capture tags or sworn statements. This problem persisted, but roles. I assumed the responsibility as
progressively improved unt_ 141st soldiers were a .
itioned to -becom 0. Basically my responsibilities werethe Operations Officer and _
s CRs), manage the info -7 C2X, ensure the ICE had currentto manage Human Collecti_and appropriate/_
le Pri ty intelligence Requirements (PIRs), and track other intelligence requirements. During Oct 03 and early Nov 03,_as at AG one or two tunes a week, until he moved there on a permanent _
3. 1 believe he moved_ensure that interrogation operations were producing actionable intelligence predominately spent his tune with external support functions such as coordinating with other agencies, doing
things, addressing signalicnnimumeation problems, talking to MPs in the hard site area (Cell Blocks IA and 1B) daily e was not very involved in interrogation operations_ nsibility to the ICE. had what appeared to be a good system in pla_ apparently didn't feel a mess. left on "R & R" leave on 14 Nov 03, and I behey_ rmanently departed AG two days later, on 16 Nov 03. Inmates fell into three categories: "Security Detainee
o posed a threat to Coalition Forces, "Iraqi
Police Detainees'- those who were dropped off by Host Nation authorities, and "Ml Holds"- those of interest to MI. In mid Oct
03, a "Tiger Team" of five or six personnel from the detention facility at Guantanamo (GTMO) Bay, Cuba, showed up at AG.
There was no real explanation about the Team. but it appeared to me that they were there in the capacity of a help the
There was no direction to implement the advice or suggestions they offered. I all talked to the GMTO Team. The suggestions the Team offered were ye
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ink we needed. The GTMO process was very methodical and they offered useful SOPs, ideas for analyst support packages, management reports, and various training classes. We did not have the background and experience that the GTMO Team had acquired from two years of operations there, and it was not until their process was showed to us that we were really about to reorganize into a more effective organization. COL PAPPAS was the major decision maker in im _GTMO
o and the changes really began in earnest after he arrived there on or about 16 Nov 03. 01C, really on the IROE. She made everyone sign that they had read and understood the IROE_igned b
•.y, the IROE slide she had created was posted in numerous locations around the operatio _as a
min er._was managing and driving the intelligence cycle and tal_ C2X. The GTMO Team really didn_y interrogation techniques beyond those which were listed o_ ROE slide and appear think that the techniques were acceptable. LTG SANCHEZ and BG FAST visited _in early Nov 03. During that visit SANCHEZ asked how we were getting information from recalcitrant and uncooperative detainees. When he received the that measures and techniques available in FM 34-52 were being implemented, LTC SANCHEZ asked if we were utilizing all of . the available approaches and techniques and that he had not seen any requests for more aggressive techniques. Such requests went' from the ICE through SJA to COL PAPPAS, who presumably would have passed them on the CJTF-7 for LTG SANCHEZ'sapproval. I never saw any approvals signed by LTG SANCHEZ I do not how many requests COL PAPPAS forwarded for approval. I do know that COL PAPPAS said early on that he would not approve any stress positions, and, as a result of that declaration, no one put in any such requests. I do not know if COL PAPPAS got authority to approve other techniques beyond FM 34-52. Upon my arrival, I heard about an incident of an "unauthorized interrogation" conducted by three 519th Ml BN soldiers. 1 heard that there was a CID investigation and that they had been punished, but I do not know any other details. This was the only abuse I had heard about until CID contacted me on 14 Jan 04 and learned some details of the MP abuses. I never personally observed, nor did anyone ever report to me, any detainee abuses. Although the 205th MI BDE had requested and received military working dogs, those dogs were assigned to the MPs for force protection and security duties. I never observed, nor did anyone ever report to me, the unauthorized use of military working dogs during the course of an interrogation. Interrogations approaches requesting the use of military dogs were submitted thru COL PAPPAS for approval. After hearing about the CID allegations in January we developed a 1 page letter of instruction on the rules of using a military dog. I never observed, nor did anyone ever report to me, the unauthorized p _'cleotaping of detainees. I never heard of any incidents where_forced to wear female clothing._ ealt directly with OGA until. he departed the AG. In Janua_ I developed an MOU for CO_signature that outlined the requirement for OGA to in-process OGA_////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////// ///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////END OF STATEMENT/MB/M/M/MMUMMMUMM///////////////////////////
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