Fay Report Annex: DOD Interview re: Conditions at Abu Ghraib Detention Facility

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I arrived at Abu Ghrath on 20 Odinher 01. The first few days I arrived.1.111111111Plitook us on a tour of the facilities and we
and I mark sure my scamInterrupting Rules of Engagement. I believe the training was sufficient f dogs. ri.
received training on the
undeniossl them. The training was no different than what we had received at the school with theexception at the we o ex piation;
whool never taught us how to use dogs and we did not know how we could use the dup. I do not remember anyone
how to use the dogs. I remember in casual tonversauons that dogs were allowed to hark. I remember thinking if you have • doe

Tochnsques as stem depnvation were
. I never to a dog nor did any of my IbMinersarsters.
c, Win used on occasion with
harking best of m know
it common thing Sleep management was pion of the ••stendes1112( ' and, to t they should use steep
advised
the detainees. On one occasion with detainee 108 for that particular time or detainee. We were never trained nuousgement on him. I don't remember seeing an sic
on the use of dogs. Everyone read the 1ROE and 'Opted that they understood them. As far as the commanders go. the training was sufficient. I did believe that the junior soldiers could lute receiving more training because intetroption operatives in nut a
. You never know how a detainee LS going to respond to certain detainees. You cold never gel ego ush training. In
science .
internigistitnis there tut a lot of calls we had to make. It Is not a science when dealing with people. New things that arc ort
have oe knowing

covens! in the IRO[ come up every Jay. This statement is hawd off of the idea that you can't go into the interropti
to tit Ilexi hle cuictly what is going to happen and a Int of what lisprcns to the interropticso was not planned that way go you
decirioni while in the booth with the detainee. For maniple. you metreiudgmcnt to make good sound and morale
and use YOUR . your engagement or approach is to do direct hoe of question with a
Jpturc data that the detainee is cooperative so
notes from the L- You go into the booth and the detainee does not resit to twit

pride and ego up due to the detainee's dispiaition at tune of immure.
spproaches. What the interrogator should use nest is his/her dec or um because of rapport and time issues. That is the way It ass

taught to us and that is the way it was implemented at Ahu Ghuravh. I was Herniate that 1 had some more experience iodiriduals. ctarack from se on around 2nd or 3rd of February 2004. I
was madea section I didn't know anything was going on untirr7oOCT until DEC (1st
war was team leader tram ieader lot the force Prntoeuae Tiger Team and tack live
week). e. • *CACI member (Ng kasha ph
My team caesium' of t had to do with interns '

he was fired after a shoo time: nothm
Afri • i i n
was another SSG from the same reserve stetson
t tiff together. There
and
name eludes me. lie was on the tiger yam with the CACI analyst tau they were rarely interacted with them operationally. I believe they were an art team iml for ad strauve Tiger Teams were added to include-
.:-- after a . • time The first owe I went to the Hard Siteswas on the tour of c sci oFC
in place of am not
410th did arrive the same ume the 500th personnel *Hived. however • • took us tin the tour.
sure i y were on the tour with us that day. I am leaning torward they were there trx.ause I remember there being more ill ' -
than 8 people and around 13. There were 5 pesmk from the 470th and we met them to Texas, two we actually got requautted with pretty sure that they did go on the tour. I was toward the rear of the pup because
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them before any one else from the orison. I !Lunt. I also saw guys in civilian clothes leading the detainees and
of my leg problem. On the tour I saw detainees mopping themilitary personnel were present as well. I was told the guys in civilian clothes were the Iraqi Police. I did not see any naked never saw a nin4Uest In WILT:WM a detainee Wilted. I do not think anything like that detainees during the tour. As far as I kW". I any naked Ociaisicei. I da not know who the iturrroganin got approval
.happen. I made proxy regular spot enectot and Dever saw
from When 1 went to spot cheek. the only thing I saw that was humiliating was a detainee who bad a Mohawk The MPINFI1
and not helping the issue. I thought he wasn't helping thers run Out on him and I fell this was wrong
was: h in • that his e . mg about it. I didn't think itas tweaking
AS there and witnessed it and I expectedlie • •
issue. conducted an interroptine ti SOT
UN y wa mg a fine line. There was one /11. . ".
ring • difficult time with this •vichal.
ince (1 think detainee number 1010.
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go interrogate. lir wanted to sec if he
rcenonsese,
a. STATEMENT And in their culture dealing with females is lower.
•• not already have and this was the time the detainee. He did not a 4 enetholg to do so. I didn't like thecould get f
'scummed the sleep management and KIVU. approval f

that he and and I g bad
wasn't trained to do 10, hut I 11)04 t 'He c.
was totem Ling Chralb. Everything was a bit went
gu in there. Interrogation plans were already toeing written when I arrived at Abu the interrogator

to
I DIC hadn't been fully Mood up. It was a kind of hit and miss on interrogation plans. To say that every time
Support for resources was very limited. There were way too many

!touted:nl
to go Interrogate a plan was written down would he felse. o y
were bouncing off each other. The reentircea wc had were very

we were working out oft". People piper. We
iscoplc for the area A lot of time we ran out of Interruption Pian forms so they were written on back of forms

one primer worked half the time.
would scream at the NCOIC and OIC that we needed printing support but there were no printers. AU inerrmgation plan
record on interropuon Man, but I mentionai it to my Ti r
.hotel he kept on the interruption plan. • I might eound like athe is-.ed

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Teams. "Where is the Interrogation Plan? I stated

t we a de the ICE Operations was m ree it the
approved by seeuo as in charge of the ntermgarton Jahns ement • !.wCd were send soft copy
was n mund tit I amnot sure what he did Some of the WI

add get it hack andJIDC mild review them and send of up the chain to

we '1 Y4 , A r copy hack but that it
vie C-mals
w'that Miring the team leader c meeting we were to
give us a Yes or o. I don't
would take a couple of weeks to get it heck. If we =used an emended IROE. It would lake Moe to gm II approved.
was a team leader we hadany of my Learn members. I do not think when I
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en extended.

remember eve Navin dal discuss steep deprivation on detainee Itel
When an title elate come hack from an interroga on with no new information or the detainee just didn't talk. the intermeator
'ring approval from higher.would mcnuon to his debrief to me that he/she thinks the need to ii, • an extendaJ IROE technique . Out the
do it
I would tell them. 'Okay this is the procedure memo for

once t cornea hack approved. you can
e reason fur this is that each Fmese protection Tiger Team had
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Tiger learns would not follow through with the raves:.
about 100 detainees and the tempo was so fast that the Tiger Teams did not want to focus so much time on the cam paperwork Ito
one deteinee who wouldn't talk when there arc hwidreets more m get meed from. We had about 440 detainees to interregate and out we had annul 1000 detainees. I do nixremember anyone hang naked durtng
list was growing up until the tt I left w
would allow something like that to happen. There might have IsMo some of the lowerinterrogations. I cunt imagine '
The interrogetors arc not kids and they have
enlistee trying to push the Name up ithey a holly Jet ail, one a
naked a pmhably not true. I worked with
school. For someone to say they had the ulthy to have u detainee for the
in the Command who I could imagine Amu
tat. I know she would not have aprasiv Gus The only person
He seemed like a 'John Wayne' type of leader wine at times seemed to go sake of a l'ILKIIIVC usterroptien would When formations were called. we
who IAA% on the audience or formation.
outside the lines when he spoke and thin t ria
would he told to read the !ROE but we were not told what went wrong and what we needed to do to prevent U. We just wondered 'Why we were resteoung7 As far as detainee about: I do not know if it was but it didn't seem right. One time when I walked through the hard site. I noticed one detainee naked on the mattress. I Jo nut know if he was chained. He was called the utile
because he alcoved a bottle up his butt I asked the MN why is he naked?• There were NCO; all around and I thought it
tiny'
wasn't right. I thought that it wasn't tight. but they air Mrs and I don't know what they are within their rights to do. I did
was about it.
mention it to some people on my team, just became I thought u was crazy that a guy would do such a thing. but that
something, we can question it. To me to have a detainee There was no continuity between IAN and interrogator' so that if we WC himw

ore it member who the MPs were. I .think them as *captain them. I mw
naked was wmog. I was working the day dill. Ido
1.141 believe it I saw a picture of him Ithere a couple of times. I can't remember exactly what the CPT looked like, however. I
times from Octutiet to December I did nut do inter:web= hit I so in would he able to identify hue. I w in the area NI
goes' he was leaving and he wanted glory to take it with him. Another
I
on scrycnal I sat in the OW with the
calory 04. I never saveor wax aware of any unufftcial photos of
nom ye on
incident I beard about after 1 rem
detainees. The only time I saw someone taking photos was when we went on tour. lie was caught and his canters was confiscated
her them coming. The night of the inviting. I
ever teeing dogs. hug on re
1 knew nothing about vision. I don't remember bragging and talking about having to shoat the was in a different area We were guarding the LSA. I just rememher
omelet throe interrogator stated they do this without remorse. I
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detainee. HUMILIATION . thc guys with but c
Ile was alwayt the one very friendly. It menet him. It was another
think tag. MPS had done that. I remember
I NCO who was bragging shout the clippers =am nut. .

I don't really reedli OGA except for one tune when they wanted to speak to one of our de toes. rearranged the scheduleso that
After they finished. they
they could steak to the detainee. One of my guys went in with them It might have Pc come by and si peak to one ofsimply left and did ort say thanks. We never handled another request from them again.
We had a -to do where
ISG wanted to speak to them. a lot of the tasks go beyond the individual morals and interropt .rs have to make a judgment calls. As far as woosen'e Underwear:
I recall someone saying something shout women's underwear More of a 'hey' we should try that. Something of that nature.
our detainees. but 0111 dClatlICCS bad such • low profile neither OGA Inst
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I do not know how the conversation sinned or maybe I walk
ightog over that.
Nothing formal I remember gave
tan older guy). He was on my team I took FM 34-52 and sat him down with
to say it was a CACI guy twine
read the 1:14 34-52 approaches. and follow iihim a verh .l counseling no his semen= and II , have tum
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id nut like rue telling him how to do his ph. He told Inc. 'I have beencame 0
out of an interrogation bragging that he me how to do my**. I told him tea 111 do things of and he odd that and
lc and asked kin) what had
I spoke with his analyst s going to try to make
detainee throw up, I believe it was. nnt that he threw up. In joking he oriI thrown a chair and caused fear in tie • own and I told them that I DID NOT wan .to bear of this again. Your detainee piss himself next time. I sat and make jokes about it. They both acknowledged that they urdentrind. 1 1 .b . i to • me to do about kr I basically had a shoulder turned on me.and he said. 'What do yi
told port writing skills. I had one guy who worked with
sts t other things in particular
i %PO to
COMPUSA who winvestigator and was hired on that e pe ence. We did have a report wnung class after that but during
selling this. It n really hard
as sitting in the hick of the room not even facing thc instructor I re=
one of the classes. and an African Americus
gement and you get that in response. You hold this guy's hand? I had
when you tell uppe had witch The trim American because he was known u take over Interrogations an I
CACI employee same m. I a African American on my team was kind of doin g
as a stri 97E.
I laced him with a him to conduct Knowledgrability Briefs. I us ki
was hi as an ane yst. I belie
'lity riefs, but how to write the reports. Her response was to
t the CACI guys that we were getting had no clan and i
go over the mains with them and train them. I was spending mum time•diting reports. It would have taker. me 1/34 of the time
if I would have whiten the reports myself. I did sit down the with the AFRICAN AMERIC CACI uy we had and
tied more oucrrogations,. MORE, MORE. And MORE.

report writing. We were told we .
cared more about numbers and not quality. When 1 went Nick to my AO with my Tiger teams rennin r saying 'Hey Guys, they MO about quantity than quality.'
peT '.. '1t teertss
want us to do more info a very nice guy that would always listen to what I had il
The civilian guy narncxrttat so up in the fnint
a reports and that I would azrm rime gang over the
tly shout the poor quality o
say. I remember taaha to iso f sold agree that to report and showirt1What he :Tr :r
lurts over and over upon then LIM fixing the report /I' Ili .• bad over hear me talking
hast the Interroptor Notes that he edited for him. I be '
his analyst (came out laughing
on invasion. You eciuld sit him in the corner. It was him
alsiut . . • ) I did know •
shout it. ng frith ll
Ile seemed to be a very nice guy with high morals. My first impression of him was good. He was very
I did lulu

I was surprise to see his name on the invest . tAtive report.
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