Interviewee was assigned to AG from October 7-21, 2003 as a member of the Mobile Training Team.
Interviewee recalled the he/she had a conversation with [redacted] concerning the IROE and interrogation approaches. Stated that he/she gave him examples of approaches including Pride and Ego Down where an interrogator took a Koran, threw it on the floor and stepped on it, (which caused a riot), and also stated that barking dogs could be effective. I told him that in Afghanistan the interrogators could use an adjusted sleep schedule for detainees. The interviewee also stated that the conversation he/she had with [redacted] was meant to explain why these activities were prohibited or restricted. Also, that [redacted] understood that his/her intent was to only take advantage of the detainees pre-existing fear.
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•nversztion I had with relevant background information. From 27 Sep to 5 Oct 03 1 was
deployed to Afghanistan ere i perations and offer advice and assistance. We provided suggestions on how to approve the effectiveness of interrogation planning approaehes, questioning terh•ique, reporting and the use of interpreters. Our tra.,,,iN was limited to mall group discussion as the operations were a_ready established and the interrogators were conducting interrogations around the clock. While there, I observed the inprocessing procedures for incoming detainees. The operation was very efficient and professional. The whole process took less than one hour from initial reception to the time the detainee seen by an interrogator. This had an advantage as the detainee was still disoriented from the capture and would be
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more likely to answer question, posed by the interrogators. On 7 Oct 03, 1 arrived in Abu • .. • - I • • ess interrogation
operations and conduct the trainMg I referenced in ms previous statarn•rt. After obsery • .- conduct at least
two tnterrogauons, and prior to the start of the training. I had an offline conversation with He approached tme
asking for ideas as to how to get "these detainees • -ea • those who were belt • •• ••• • a •• source of the
incomiog mortars During the convers. • • • • • about the Interrogation Rules of Engagement (MOE) to
ensure he knew of their exisnce. I told • . • • I heard in Afghanistan of a dog used during an
interrogation. The dog was trained to b- .. • -.... - • Id bark any time the interrogator had reason to believe the detainee was lying during the interrogation. I told him that this would probably not be allowed, but that the presence of barking dogs in the orison might be effecuve, 1 told him of a story of an interrogate; using a Pride and Ego Down approach. The interrogator took a copy of a Koran and threw it on the ground and stepped on the Koran, which resulted in a detainee riot. I explained to
turn that an adjusted sleep schedule was used on detainees in Afghanistan. The process was closely monitored and used to
disorient the detainee. Subsequ--ntly, I explained that bas:: approach strategies would be most effective within the first few hours :.,f capture and that they r.eccled to do timely interrogations. The more comfortable a detainee seta with his surroundings, the
scrooge: his -resistance 1=0121CS . 1 dr-scribed the fear that I imagined a detainee might experience in that environment 1 also said
than the MP's need to understand that this fear works t• the interrogator's advantage and that the MP's shouldn't get friendly with
the source by Tying to converse or offer cigarettes and the like that the interrogator might use as incentives to establish rapport.
This type of friendly MP interaction was claimed to be a hindrance to interrogation in Afghanistan. I also suggested the
oossibility of showing the detainees picrures of what speared to be MP's in intimidating positions with detainees. I did not
describe pictures of MP's actually abusing detainees. 2 the MP's were actually allowed to abuse the detainees, there would be no
reason to :lave the picture., -.The purpose of the pictures was to allow the detainee's initial fear to persist until the interrogator
relieved that fear and established rapport. At this point, I described detainee inprocessing as 1 observed it in Afghanistan. I • • • • , itnased the above incidents, but heard about th • •• 4'• •• • • •-- • gation facility personnel, 1 encouraged
. attend the upcoming training I also made our ,knew that any interrogation approach or
to be Included into the interrogatio ............ •e approved by the chain of command. I am sure that • •erstood that OD technique could • • -• • • • • Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROE) and required • ..... • a• ••¦•••'1 ••• approval prior to Implementation. only attended portions of the training that we provided at AG, I did not participate m or hear about any oth•• ••.••• • •• "TT participating in any other offline cony
-assigned interrogation facility personnel. I never advocated the physical abuse of detain am sure that understood that my intent was to only take advantage of the detainees pre-existing f
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