Fay Report Annex: DOD Interview re: Conditions at Abu Ghraib Detention Facility

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currently a CW3 in A Co, 260th Military Intelligence (MI) Battalion (BN) (Florida National Guard), Miami, FL, currently on
Work (ADSW) at HQ USSOUTHCOM, 12 Ops, Miami, FL. I am an Interrogation Technician, MOS
Active Duty fav t

351E, and I have been in the MOS for approximately 13 years. I was on ADSW with USSOUTHCOM when I was deployed to
o the efort to establih the detention facility there. 1 was there for about 30
f s rcporting and processing detainee assessment packets.
JTF-170, Guantanamo Bay (GTMO), Cuba, as who of d GTMOexploitanon of the detainees, and JTF-160 was the JTF responsible for detainee45 days and then returned to USSOUTHCOM, where I monitore

operations. Due to poliflits, ficincy, the two JTFs were eventually merged into JTF GTMO, which allowed for
JTF-170 was the JTF responsible for in e
viously separate functions. The result was more efficient and productivethe two prea better working relationship between and inef
operations and is the current model at GTMO. I was there at the very beginning of interrogations operations at GTMO .and know
that techniques employed there were FM 34-52 driven. The Joint interrogation Facility (11F) which included several other,
government agencies, also contributed to an environment of openness and accountability. Over the history of GTMO, the
Interrogation Rules of Engagement (IROE) changed and evolved in response to lessons learned. SOUTHCOM has created a
"timeline" which delineates what policies and procedures were approved and on what dates, when they were amended, and when

I was mobilized on federal orders to go bac ne tO investigating officers. In Jan 03, am Cour se" intended f or interrogat ors rescmded. 1 will try to provide a copy of tiMeli hief. In
te
to GTMO. I went to Fort Huachuca, AZ, and atnded a three to four week "Tiger Te
deploying to GTMO. I then deployed to GTMO on 14 Feb 03. At GTNIO I served as an interrogator and then as eras c
the Aug 03 timeframe, I was selected as an interrogator subject matter expert (SME) for an assessment visit. 1 was not provided

trickled down through the chain, and I initially had no idea why
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any background data and the word that we were going to • the box
or for how long. About the 28th of August (about a week after I was told that I would be going) we departed
with some DIA folks who were part of the team. were ndi who was responsible for assessing the a i
GTMO and flew to Charleston, SC. It was at Cha lesion that we senile retired Air Force LTC who wa former ICE Chief at GTMO who headed up
Three team members from DIA that e airplane at Charleston that I first heard MG MILLER discuss the mission. 1
Survey Group (ISG) and TF-20, an st of the mission, Inn not a lot of
was on ' • th .
the interrogation piece of the team.
recall that he described it as an assessment of the mtelligence mission in Iraq. He prove
what the tasking was. The assessment was looking at the whole piece of their intelligence mission andi
a Abu
encompassed all disciplines, such as legal, military police, ICE, databases, and Criminal Intelligence Tsk Force (liason the team details, and I wasn't SUIT Cropper and
with law enforcement agencies). My lane was the interrogation Tiger Team. We only looked at Corps assets at
Ghlaib (AG), and we did not look at Division and Brigade assets, probably because there was not enough of time. We were

ih my AG counterparts and OlCs.
w t
ppened. I met that?
", "what arc you doing with the
originally supposed to look at Camp Bucca too. but I don't know if that ever ha you doing with
Basically we discussed things like ' what arc you doing with this , "what arc

information' , and things like that Every day we went out, met with counterparts, and came back together to discuss problems and recommendations within the GTMO Assessment Team- essentially a daily After Action Review. Those discussions were then consolidated and incorporated into the final Assessment Report, although 1 did not see the final product. There was a belief that
nal level
and not getting out. Information was flowing to Natio
a systems-We were conducting

intelligence gathered in Iraq in general was being "stove piped
GTMO, and it was starting to flow out of Afghanistan, but was not from Iraq.
from operations at

analysis, and were looking at if they bad analytical support for the interrogators, what kind, how timely, does it help in the Interrogation Plan. This "Tiger Team" concept of teaming u an analyst with the interrogator was developed from the GTMO
because the
p at specific interrogation techniques
effecuye. We were not looking
experience and was founnto be very efficient and ent. Iraq situation was under fire, fluid, and tactical, where GTMO was operational environment of Iraq and GTMO were so diff . We were concentrated on such things as where reports went,
aniermals
or had they remained the same despite the changing
isolated,,secure, and strategic- they were two different one
is semination of information, had operatio evolved from day

ns were not conanaunicith each other, and that the "left" and the "ri0
d .ating w . wC I C l'CpUrti
environment, etc. l recall that the databases
now'what the other was doing. It appeared things were relatively OK at the interrogation level. The
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T (Continued! information to the HOC
on nation gthered and it appeared from the reporting that I saw that they were questioning well (I never actually witnessed an
TATEMEN
getung bogged
a
interrogation), but the infonnation wasn't getting out to the National level. The collector passed the
and releaseability. It appair-W the rcimming was
Ts) than' the Interrogations.
(HU who determined further distribunon
focused on the Tactical HUMINT Teams Operations Cell);
more
down in the HOC, perhaps because the HOC was another, and the eon:nation wouldn't follow
Conditions at both Camp Cropper and AG were severely overcrowded and there was minimal screening occurring due to that
tO
constant transfer of detainees from one detention facility
overcrowding and the r and AG. but were not screening
Both these points were already identi
with them.
them. After about two weeks of assessment in Iraq, we departed on about 12 Sep 03 and returned to GTMO. I was then notified
as part of a Tiger Team not to exceed 90 days, to assist CJTF-7. It was not until we arrived at oy CJTF-7 (I can't recall specifically by whom) that we would be going to AG. On or about 4 Oct
that I would be returning to Iraq
03, we that we were informed d 1 • me as the team leader03, we arrived at AG. My team included three interrogators and three analysts. organized into three teams, vilth one inte
, and
co cept. The GTMO analyst, equivalenrto
.. n MO Ti
US Marine Co
! .. anal s • n tach rations senior officer. I asked COL PAPPAS
• .. • • the interrogation 96B). I met with detainees or build up the Joint Detention and Interrogation Center OM).
My
want • .y r Team to engage and interrogate the JDIC and once that was done, we would return to GTMO.
and he chose the later. I understood my mission to be to set up provide recorrunendations for the JDIC. I was and

CL PAPPAS, was to identify solution and
it with O
mission, as I discussed wits the staff elements of the JDIC, with particular emphasis on CM&D (Collection Management
of the problems information dissemination that we had identified on our first
concentrated on establwhich would hopefully alleviate manyany interrogations at AC. Although my personnel may have participated in a few
DISSelltlfall011), techniques in any specifics. I did discuss
a
visit. I personally did not conduct not discuss specific
ho was
as
interrogations. it was not an ongoing wivolv meat. I who ran the AG ICE
ures had
more gun Iicies and roced basically e for admuustrauve support, an on routine matters, who contact with- him. I mainly worked wi redly wanted the
Of icer, know", an it was o musty that he
short. wan we arrive , so didn't have much
dTMO policies and SOPs, the SECDEF letter concerning detaineeCOL PAPPAS. He told mc "anything you need, you let mc
read acress to
y
IDIC to succeed. We provided these four officers copies of the discussion about the policies, t recall explaining the need to
higher authority to conduct certain techniques
treatment, and other organizational and procedural documents. in
establish the purpose of the Interrogauon Plan is to show the need for chops from
maintain a log or blotter or central tracking system to account for the detainees. I beyond 34-52 techniques. Military Police did not
MG MILLER about nevelt:m=1ns at AG during my second trip, other than to discuss general
n't recall the exact IROS
.

did not have any conversation with I never discussed specific interrogation techniquesrob However, the ICE had
progress on serung up reared, and I never discussed it with OL PAPPAS o
was very data'd w e m- ocessing new personnelpower point slide that ocedures clearly poste& and r' have come from GTMO. Records
'pule
built= board with pea icier a policies. Loong at the s i e, Manipulation" 3 Dec 03, the hard copy files were
to ensure they understood those and hardcopy. When I departed AG on 2 or
files may have departed on the hard drives of
rlated to detainees were kept in both electronic
e cabinets located against the back wall of the MM. Electronic
redeployed In the US and took their equipment with them. Screening and interrogation efforts at AG were computers when units higher headquarters and tactical intelligence. Thefocused on answering requirements from both stored in filing ICE would have to cancel or alter
its plans to accommodate directions from higher. I recommended using "KBs" (Knowledgeability Briefs) w •
us at
allowed interweav strategic and sing nudity, and I never saw it. Sleep Adjustmenu were discussed and we
or altering his meal ume. I don't
of u
GT M110. The detainee was kept awake .by movIng him from cell to cell, walking him around, the weeds". I went to the hard site
or how it was being done at AG. We weren't looking at those aspects and were not "in
my second trip, I visited the hard site ma a few
know if saw anyone naked. On I questioned the vetting process of the
during the day on my first assessment trip to AG. I never
occasions, but never saw any naked detainees and never saw anything out of place. although
Iraqi Guards. I heard about the shoot out m the hard site, but I diduot respond to the Incident, nor, to the best of my latowledge,
that military working dogs were present at AG at that time. I believe they bad been
er gations and were only
I was not aware
did anyrequested and 1 recall kennelsof my personnel. being built, but I never saw dogs At GTMO. dogs were not or anyone else. I never

er
I never discussed the issue of using dogs in interrogauons wi interrogations. 1 nev
I never heard Of them being used in anyway, to include unng
used to patrol the perimeter.
any unauthorized photographs or videos of
saw rnibury working dogs while at.AG and
heard of. any physical abuse of detainees. I never saw. nor heard of. I never saw. nor heard of. any detainee being
saw. nor b nor. heard of &tunics nemg held naked. specific instances where stress
detainees. I never saw naked detainees, Mons being used and don't recall of any hard s' forced to wear women's underwear. 1 r saw es ever reported to me an incident which be wi positions were used. I can't recall Ma i
cuffed, laying onthe floor o s cell. whimpering, with a hood over his head.
If be had, 1 wooding VC repo
which a detainee was hand-me as he stated. I don't remember a. w
so • ier and 1 eported this incident to 't remember such a report. The issue of h
simply don
or COL PAPPAS. 1 s the entire incident whi
part of this incident. I also • • •
discussion se rately, but not as instructed a detain
stated be reported to me regarding an interrogation in wine
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