Fay Report Annex: DOD Interview re: Conditions at Abu Ghraib Detention Facility

Sworn statement, interviewee stated, I was asked to observe an interrogation which possibly fell on the border line [of inappropriate techniques].
Also, stated that he/she "heard of an unauthorized interrogation by three interrogators in SEP 03. The interrogators took a female detainee at night and became fresh with her."
Also, stated: "Ghost detainees were those detainees who arrived at Abu Ghraib, but did not possess all documentation necessary for full in-processing. They were usually sourced from TF-121 or Other Governmental Agencies."

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Interview
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Wednesday, June 16, 2004
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Wednesday, March 2, 2005
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SWORN STATEMENT
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was assigned to Abu Ghraib on 12 September 2004 as the JIDC Operations section Warrant for the 205th MI BDE. My duties,
arrived from Camp Cropper, were to help establish operations in the Joint
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latoon who
along with the other six mein,' ua When 1 arrived menu of the 519th Ml B e as the Joint
Interrogation Debrieful d the first sergeant was the command and
Commander was either 1 Element OIC. The 72nd P o was on of the
Interrogation Debriefing that the Forward Operating Base at Abu Ghraib was the responsibility
BDE. My understanding was t
800th BDE The first days we arrived were hectic We had to set up out billeting area, life support and start developing a work schedule for my personnel. About a day after 1 arrived. 10 more MI personnel arrived. These newly arrived personnel were control of the 800th MP
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Tiger Teams. After two days on the gro terrogaor, 1 Analys) to augment tbe tel
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forming the Tiger Teams (1 x In t did not interrogate and stayed to work in the operations section.
OPS personnel We errogation operations My sixt
crew there My team and 1 first began scrutng the existing requirements and detainees of in
I. why we were
ole and responsibilities well Into February when I finally departed. Familiarization (walk-through) training onu nued to refine our role The newly arrived Tiger Team personnel were familiarized with interrogation operations. They began the day aifte we arrived
were told and shown where detainees were being held and who was segregated and why. Before the Tiger Teams began
interrogation oations, they did riot get a formal Interrogation Rules of Engagement, but my team had Just arrived from Camp
per
they were aware of the MOE. As for my OPS team. I am confident they knew what the rules were as they helped Cropper and
implement these rules at Cropper. Once we received the actual IROE. it was not different than what we had learned at the school
Field Manual stated. however many school-house taught techniques had to be approved by higher. I
or what the interrogation

would discuss the Geneva Convention during normal conversation and although we initially did not get additional
the MOS schooling they had received.
... .
aware o f opera I
Geneva Convention tratrung at JIDC, my team was s the senior MI officer in open
e tune the 20 additional MI pens . • ico-seated the operations duties.

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arrival (around 23 Septemb er). _inning. I thought he was gaveroved around the 16.11 of September a • . a. ell - .. S
charge of Administrative support to .11DC and operations. He would go to the Hard ite within
• • of times oe detainee
Ir. • myself or a member of the OPS staff I did go to him for ass. visited the site
mattcrs • ore personn I d mined us 10 days later. Al first

he apps
i . ' rnved on camp.' didn't see too be regularly, but he did not live there. On mmurucatio with the MPs did not appear good at the beginning. One
• . • '. • the existing 519th battle-plan. tier
_,„became the FOB Commander, things did begin to change The Entry Control Point to the Hard Site traffic w rac ed .c movement of detainees became smoother Communication with MPs appeared improved and they appeared more responsive to site needs. I was never aware of. or witnessed any detainee physical abuse or inappropriate behavior of interrogation
techniques or any photosor eos cin propria g A couple of times I was as to observe an interrogation which pond* fell
videos eno n inappropriate techniques materialized. I d heard of an unauthorized interrogation by dues on the border hoc. 1 observed
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interrogators in SEP 03. The interrogators wok a female detainee. at night. and became frcsh with hcr. I didn't fully har what
. . I donot bow hment they received. Another time . I heard di iinterrogators were pulled o interr g s also with her. They were pulled of f
o eying a detainee stripped of his clothing. Her analy d given additional g on IRGE.y believe she was counseled by her Team Leader,
int came to ins t us on the GTMO model and worked
They were not my subordinates. In mid November. a group from GT
amongst our ranks They outlined the responsibilities of each member and section and an Organization Chart was developed
documentation necessary fur
b Ghraib but did not pos
accordingly. Ghost deism= were those detainees w arn Other Governmental Agencies..
or
full in-processing Thcy were usually sourced from TF-121
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-processed, and until then were tracked and accounted for by Capture Tag
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-processing ISN until fully into what those procedures were.
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number and personal data. When I first arrived, there was no memorandum
ter met with OGA and TF-121 re
Sometimes, detainees were dropped off without any ]IDC member knowing. s mayhave occurred sometime befoollowed
. para.
representatives and a memorandum was drafted and agreed upon by all a
to that, the MPs maintained a personal file on these ghost detainees until their necessary paperwork f
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Christmas. Prior frequently hit with mortars, but we were so short of personnel to get rovin u thou in the
broght

few days later. We were
in country and in the area, but counter-actions in our area were not observed. un t that that there were
165th MI BN who has LRSD to assist with the guarding of towers and base security issues. There w s a so a co thei r ;
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