Fay Report Annex: DOD Interview of Interrogator re: Conditions at Abu Ghraib Detention Facility

Interviewee was assigned to AG from the end of August/first of September 2003 and remained there until March 1, 2004.
Noted that there was an excel spreadsheet kept on sleep management and deprivation techniques requested or approved. Recalled hearing about detainee made to walk around naked. Also, recalled that there was general talk of detainees having to wear women's underwear.
Also, recalled hearing of prostitution and alcohol abuse.

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Friday, June 4, 2004
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September 2003 and remained there until circa the first of
I was assigned to Abu Gharaib (AG) from the end of August/first of
a two-week leave to CONUS in Jan. 1 was mobilized from my
March 2004. I had a five-day R&R to Qatar in December and part of a cross
Doha, Kuwait). I was assigned as
contractor position in Kuwait (contractor with Northrop-Grumman at Camp
at various t cs .
I served as an in G and
leveling action and staged thru Ft Dix, NJ to Ira' rked for the wing
AG
intcrpre velop them as we went

lace and it was up to most of us
there did notleem to be a coherent organization o
to take care of beans and bullets type measures
along. It was not clear who was in charge. Ant
eemed to be in charge of interrogation
but was not involved in interrogation operations.
tying COL Pappas command
operations. The MPs had their own system and their own chain of command. yen after the frago g
BG Karpinski was in charge of the FOB and at the same tunes
of the FOB, it seemed to be confusing. At one time I heard that
read and had to sign statements that we understood them and
COL Pappas was supposedly in charge. We all were given IROEs to
the interrogators and the
the Geneva Convention. We were told that it was the MPs job to insure the safety and security of
detainees both. It seemed pretty straightforward to me, it was clear from our training how we were to proceed and what we were

harsher methods and
not to do. It seemed that we were pretty much limited to direct questioning techniques of detainees. Any
procedures required higher levels of authority. I was made aware of the changes in IROEs and levels of authority as they came

was
Into being. I understood that the process for obtaining a ! , •
out, but cannot remember exactly when those changes came
t a written request along with an interrogation plan to my section chief. From there it would go to operations

-le f occasions and submit • be
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d then up the chain from her. I requested sleep management approval laby . t it was approved. There was
roque as directed. 1 did not see any written approval but was informed orally
an excel spreadsheet that was kept by operations on any of the sleep managements eep depri ation procedures II-at were
e uested and/or approved. It was my undeistandmg the if sleep management was approved for use and was to be implemented,
ould inform the MPs and a schedule would be drawn up and then the MPs would implement it. I understood that
uld time the amount of sleep and would waken the detainees at specified intervals by banging on the cell•door,

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making loud noises, etc., to waken and/or keep the detainees awake. 1 do not know how the MPs worked it for the detainee for which I had obtained the approval for sleep management. There was general talk among the MPs about detainees having women's) underwear and one particular MP, whose name 1 cannot recall mentioned that he felt bad about the detainees having to wear
underwear, but that was all they had to issue for a period of tune. 1 never saw a detainee wearing women's underwear.
women's
I also heard that for very short periods of time some detainees were wrapped in a sheet or blanket, but that was only because their
civilian clothing was ripped or torn to the extent that the civilian clothing was not wearable and there were nothing to issue on an the nude or having clothing withheld until they became cooperative with
immediate basis. I never say any detainees being kept in the interrogators. I remember that MG Miller visited AG and that later on a team of interrogators from GTMO came in to work from Ft Huaclauca along with the GTMO team, but am not certain. I think the
with us. 1 think there might have been a ffice. I don't' think the GTMO visit accomplished much as thereGTMO team came just before a visit from th ey were better resourced and had a strategic mission, where we had a
were too many differences between AG and GTMO ­tactical, short fused rrussion. After the GTMO visits I heard that dogs would be brought to AG, but I never used dogs or knew any of the dog handlers. I did not hear of or see dogs being used by any of the other interrogators. I knew that the MPs kept a surprised if the MPs would shout at the detainees or use physical training as a discipline
"trouble makers list" and would not be ­measure to settle them down, but do not know of any abuse by any of the MPs. It was fairly common kno c MP

had problems with violation of General Order I and unauthorized use of alcohol. On a couple of occasio ul
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