Fay Report Annex: DOD Interview of 97B Counterintelligence Agent re: Conditions at Abu Ghraib

Sworn statement by 97B counterintelligence agent stating the he "overheard someone making a statement about a detainee dying while being interrogated by an Other Government Agency (OGA) official. The OGA then packed the detainee in ice and placed him in a local taxi. The taxi driver was paid to take the body away. I was not sure if I had heard correctly until [redacted] confirmed the statement was made by [redacted] and not sure if it was a joke or a true story." The agent also reported hearing rumors that Other Government Agency (OGA) was permitted to conduct unauthorized interrogations of ghost detainees in block 1A. The OGA would then send liquor and cigars to the individual.
Also, the interviewee heard rumors that OGA was permitted to conduct unauthorized interrogations of ghost detainees in block 1A. As a thank you, the OGA would send liquor and cigars to the individual.

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Interview
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Friday, June 4, 2004
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Wednesday, March 2, 2005
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A Company, 519th Military Intelligence Battalion, 525th Milt any Intelligence Brigade
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1 was deployed to Ahu Ghraih (AG), Iraq with A Company, 519th MI Bn,• I am a 97Bto early
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Agent wo performed interrogations. My. tiam's initial mission upon my arrival to AG was to set up the won
Counternuellige arc et interrogation operations for detainees gathered during operation VICTORY BOUNTY

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and l ife supeas to be
port with interrogator input. an lnterrog '
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interrogation techniques.
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the team leader back down to the Interrogor.Someone in the operations cell would then take the schedule to the MP's who vier
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instructions we gave the MP's concerning detainees wcrc nut executed. • unknown reason. The mentor moved a detainee outside without shade for an approximate 1 or speculated the guard
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two months into our operation of interrogatiug these detainees
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interrogation operations and was more concerned with reporting than proper interrogation techniques. On Go vern inert
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