DOS Cable re: Dutch Interest in the Legal Status of the Guantanamo Detainees

State Department cable concerning the Dutch government's view that Guantanamo detainees should be treated according to Geneva conventions and international law. Some comment re: public/academics seeking more information re: policy, but not to reflexively condemn it. Cable is heavily redacted.

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Cable
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Tuesday, January 29, 2002
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Wednesday, December 29, 2004
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SUBJECT: DUTCH INTEREST IN GITMO DETAINEES:

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UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF STATE REVIEW AUTHORITY: SHARON E AHMAD
DOS-001976
DATE/CASE ID: 03 NOV 2004 200303827
UNCLASSIFIED
CLASSIFIED BY: AMBASSADOR CLIFFORD SOBEL, REASONS 1.5 B/D

2.(C) FM VAN AARTSEN'S JANUARY 21 STATEMENT ON DUTCH
TELEVISION CALLING ON THE U.S. TO OBSERVE THE GENEVA
CONVENTIONS IN ITS TREATMENT OF AL-QAEDA AND TALIBAN
PRISONERS HAS BEEN CITED IN THE INTERNATIONAL PRESS AS AN
EXAMPLE OF DUTCH GOVERNMENT CRITICISM OF U.S. POLICY.1

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STATE FOR S, D, P, T, L, S/P, S/WCI, PM, EUR
OSD FOR ISP-EUR
CINCCENT ALSO FOR NAVCENT-FORWARD
CARACAS FOR AMCONSUL CURACAO

E.G. 12958: DECL: 01/29/2012
TAGS: PTER, MARR, PHUM, MOPS, UN, NL
SUBJECT: DUTCH INTEREST IN GITMO DETAINEES:

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DUTCH MFA LETTER TO PARLIAMENT

6.(SBU) THE MFA'S RESPONSE TO MP VAN BOMMEL'S QUESTION WAS

INCLUDED IN A LONGER LETTER ON DUTCH AFGHAN POLICY, AND

APPEARED DESIGNED TO MATCH THE FOREIGN MINISTER'S PREVIOUS

STATEMENT. FOLLOWING IS AN INFORMAL EMBASSY TRANSLATION:

"THE FIGHT AGAINST TERRORISM IS A FIGHT FOR OUR NORMS AND

PRINCIPLES. THE GOVERNMENT BELIEVES THAT TALIBAN AND

AL-QAEDA COMBATANTS TAKEN PRISONER SHOULD BE TREATED IN

CONFORMITY WITH INTERNATIONAL LAW, AS EMBODIED, INTER ALIA,

IN THE GENEVA CONVENTIONS. ALTHOUGH IT SHOULD NOT BE

FORGOTTEN THAT THIS CONCERNS PEOPLE WHO ARE SUSPECTED OF

BELONGING TO A NETWORK DEEMED RESPONSIBLE FOR THE ATTACKS OF

SEPTEMBER 11, THE RIGHTS OF THESE PEOPLE SHOULD BE RESPECTED.

THE NETHERLANDS SHALL PRESENT THIS POINT OF VIEW IN ITS

CONTACTS WITH THE UNITED STATES."

7.(C) ANOTHER PASSAGE IN THE SAME PARLIAMENTARY LETTER,

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EXPLAINS THAT DUTCH NAVAL VESSELS SUPPORTING OPERATION

ENDURING FREEDOM (OEF) IN THE PERSIAN GULF AND INDIAN OCEAN

CANNOT BE DIRECTLY INVOLVED IN MARITIME LEADERSHIP

INTERDICTION OPERATIONSI

AI THE LETTER

A 'ALLOWS FOR

THOSE DUTCH VESSELS TO HOST U.S. BOARDING PARTIES WHICH COULD

CONDUCT THE ACTUAL LEADERSHIP INTERDICTION OPERATIONS.

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STATE FOR S, D, P, T, L, S/P, S/WCI, PM, EUR
OSD FOR ISP-EUR
CINCCENT ALSO FOR NAVCENT-FORWARD
CARACAS FOR AMCONSUL CURACAO

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TAGS: PTER, MARR, PHUM, MOPS, UN, NL
SUBJECT: DUTCH INTEREST IN GITMO DETAINEES:

10.(SBU) NOTWITHSTANDING THE LACK OF INTEREST EXHIBITED IN
THESE FORA, PAO HAS RECEIVED NUMEROUS QUERIES FROM ACADEMICS,
DUTCH AND AMERICAN, OVER THE DETENTIONS. FAR FROM VIRULENT
OR CONDEMNATORY, THESE INQUIRERS ARE PRIMARILY SEEKING
INFORMATION TO.UNDERSTAND AND EVEN TO DEFEND U.S. POLICY AND
PRACTICE.

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I MEMBERS OF THE PUBLIC WE ENCOUNTER ARE ALSO LOOKING
FOR CLARIFICATION OF THE USG POLICY, MORE -- SEEMINGLY -- TO
ENABLE THEM TO UNDERSTAND THE U.S. RATIONALE AND MAYBE EVEN
DEFEND IT, THAN TO REFLEXIVELY CONDEMN IT.

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12.(U) PDAS RIES CLEARED ON THIS MESSAGE.
SOBEL

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