Criminal Investigative Task Force Interview of Guantanamo Bay Detainee re: Detainee's Knowledge of Usama bin Laden

REPORT OF INVESTIGATIVE ACTIVl.
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1. DATE OF INVESTIGATIVE ACTIVITY 2. PLACE
10 Sep 03 GTMO, Cuba 3)

4. REMARKS
Subject Interview of: (UNK)aillaiasimui - I (-))(c)-S-
Date/Place: 10 Sep 03/GTMO, Cuba
Subject Interview of: fINESIMMIPIIIIIIM -"k1) (C3 -S--
Date/Place: 10 Se 03/Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
Interviews: SA CITF - GTMO
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Camp Delta, Guantanamo Bay, Cuba on September 10 2003, by SA , United States Army
Criminal Investigation Command (USACIDC), DoD Criminal Investigative Task Force (CITF). The interview

in English. The purpose of the interview was to discuss Usama Bin Laden (UBL) and the Bayat taken by
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NOTE: The following interview is the second of three interviews of ammilimit . by SAIIII1111.11111111
The interviews were based on information previously given by111111.1111 and were designed to be read in
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The interviewinterview was initiated with familiarization with UBL prior to arriving in Afghanistan. stated
that he knew of UBL and knew that the United States indicted him on Terrorism for the bombings of two Embassies
in Kenya.

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didn't view UBL as an enemy of the UK, even though he agreed that the strongest ally of the US was the
UK.

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111111.1111irelated he knew UBL was involved in Terrorism; however, denied knowing anything about the terrorist
group known as Al Qaida. stated it wasn't until after the 9/11 attacks that he associated Al Qaida with
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111111.111Bi admitted heAas at 41111.111111iswnen ubaL visited on at least 10 occassions. On each visit UBL -did some
type of speech. 11111111111111 stated he did not attend all the speeches due to the fact that he could not understand
Arabic and that he could get some rest while UBL was speaking.

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11111111111111.stated around the third or fourth UBL visit his interpreter11111111111111111111.(identified from previous interviews as
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411111.1111111111 then stated that the BAYAT to UBL was some where around his (UBL's) last visit(s).

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41/1.1tritien denied he ever admitted to taking a bayat with UBL and said he was forced to say he took the Bayat
with UBL by Interviews at Bagram Air Base, AF. then. informed the interviewer that he was sexually
harassed, and or raped, by a female interviewer. This int iew technique is how the interviews got him to say he
took the Bayat. if

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4. REMARKS (Continued)S
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Shortly thereafter, MUM retracted his statement and explained that he ha ade up the accusations in retaliation for what he had heard from a detainee while in isolation. was in isolation after a small incident occurred in Camp Four (communal living). While in isolation the detainee tol that an interviewer (NFI) told him something to the effect of 'Due to the long distance ¦1•had to travel, he bviously he went to meet UBL". ‘‘IP CI) et")-F b (1)(c)-3—

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4111111111111111..was asked directly if he was sexually harassed in anyway while being detained? 1111/11111111presponded no.
4411111111111.1thaZIThaSs-not been mistreated while in US Custody.
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was then asked if he provided any other information, which was deceptive or not true. 1.111111111
responded yes, and explained that he gave a statement where he was forced by UBL himself to take the bayat.

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411111111111111Dwas then asked if he took the bayat with UBL voluntarily, in which MM.responded he did.
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did 'Min that h itn't know the truelneaning of the lm agymaitdaas put on the spo y his interpreter ea ered the folio' explanation; He and were going to lis n to UBL wheniPh)t. -informed NM=4hat tJBL was expecting a bayat from everyone on that particar day. IIIIMIIP inquired to what a bayat was, which told him it was a "promise" to UBL. 1, claims that did not explain it properly and o ly told him it was a promise. IIIIIMMIstated he took this explanation
to mean a promise to fight in the Jihad. Aft the conversational.. was and the impression the knew he was not interested in taking the bayat with UBL. Mali tholight he was st going to talk to UBL d ask him a few question. .
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domi‘sira te ne was sitting with approximately 50 people in front of a building with UBL just around the corner.
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People were going in small groups to talk to UBL in groups of no more than four at a time. 11111111116went with •
nd only asked UBL why he was in Afghanistan. UBL responded by telling him it was the Land of the
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hen stated that ifillaitan began speaking in Arabic. After a brbrief con rsation111111111.11.
Asripelli4 13y turning to him and asking him if he was going to take the bayat or not. stated he
hesitated and descnbed it as a funny moment. He was put on the spot and was scared due to the peer pressure
and was afraid of bei?rg called a spy.

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4111.1111111stated he knew he shouldn't have taken the Bayat with UBL. In hindsight stated it was because
UBL is a terrorist. At the time he was upset because he did not go to Afghanistan to pledge himself to anyone or to
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The next pic of discussion ithall.111.11.was his role in guarding 121-4CC.)-
stated he guarde approximately five times, two77rwere walking patrols. NAM was
sched ed for similar duties however he did not show up. 1111•111riwas equipped for each guard duty with an AK 47
and 30 rounds.

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01111111111( stated he did guar when UBL was present; however, claimed it was not an honor or a special
privilege it just worked out that way. admitted, for him, It wasn't a big deal when UBL showed up and most
of the times he used the opportunity ltrglielitilattional rest. MIMS stated he didn't really care about the speeches
because they were given in Arabic.

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stated he did not receive any additional training Tor the guard duty. He stated they did use a password
while on patrol. stated it was important to remember the password because the people running the camp

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told him that one co d get into "trouble" if he forgot the password. impwintook this to mean that they (anyone on guard duty at were avthorized to shoot anyone who did not know the password. rb(Tre)-S-.1'1164) . 41111Mastated they ! ,trainers) were scared of the Americans and he was told if you see any fire in the sky (ie..from a missile attack) he was to wake everyone up in the camp by firing off his weapon.
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=MS was tnen asked to describe his feelings concerning the United States.
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Amp stated while at Illinfiphe considered America as the enemy. He stated while in the UK he had a
different ideology about the US. e thought of the US as a democratic country concerned with human rights. He
stated growing up he always wanted to visit the US and possibly live there.

stated the first real change in his ideology came while viewing anti-American videos at the Small Mudaffah, AF. f aill, remembered viewing one video, which depicted the bombings in Iraq. 111111111111 described this experience a\ his "eye-opener". , i
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stated he believed some of what UBL was preaching, however, didn't agree with everything especially , blowing yo If up.
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fOrlY4-s-(Zed -,W7)ecl .. sS _,L (7),(;) jall1111 was presented with the situatlpn wherein he was guarding the camp (111.1011111) and was approached by American/ US coalition forces. MM. quickly pointed out that the Northern Alliance was not the same as the US. He continued by saying if he did see US Forces he would run. U admitted that he might fire back In self-defense, however, he would not initiate the firefight.
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