CaseMap Facts Report - David Nahmias Interview 3

The document includes notes from interviews conducted with FBI personnel David Nahmias, regarding his knowledge about legal issues raised about the interrogation techniques employed in a redacted detainee's interrogation at Guantanamo Bay. The notes also reference an AG Letter and the McCrary Memo.

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Interview
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Tuesday, February 24, 2009
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were not even interrogating him at that point. David Nahmias said a lot of the controversy about
how Department of Defense would treat him was later in the fall. 43:00. David Nahmias said
the "break* when Department of Defense was ordered to stop imerrogating was probably in
November or December. At that point, Department of Justice was getting very frustrated that
the detainee of (probably) the most interest in all of U.S. Naval Base Guantanamo Bay, Cuba
and nobody was talking to him. 43 :50. Department of Defense wouldn't let go of him so that
someone else would interrogate him. They wouldn't give him back to the Federal Bureau of
Investigation, and it was not clear that the Federal Bureau of hwestigation would be able to
interrogate him in this rAntiitinnt that Perieleil. at T1 Namml AIM! rillAritarIllYkri PIM, (N. 11151. en, dip
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were stilt viewed as a process that would work fairlyw ella ndw ithoutm uch prohkin.3 9:15 .
David Nahmias's experience with Federal Bureau of Investigation was that with attempts to get
had no reason to believe that the Central Intelligence Agency was planning to torture anyone.
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raised this at the Policy Coordinating Committee. They discussed having him raise the issue
formally, which is what generated the AGLetter.wpd being drafted. I :00:00. When the AG
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